我用1099拿到了TN。 -ustax(roliatax) @BC省华人论坛:BC省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of BC

枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / 请问各位去米国的contractor大虾,是用的加拿大的公司还是到美国新注册公司?区别大嘛? -shallwe(Zidane); 2006-11-8 (#3309986@0)

我也想知道。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-9 (#3310815@0)
ding -shallwe(Zidane); 2006-11-10 (#3313253@0)
self employment is not permitted for TN -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-10 (#3313512@0)

在美国，什么是self employment 的工作？是1099吗？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-10 (#3313524@0)

1099 is a tax issue. Immigration service has its own interpretation. Or you can ask for a advisor in one of the port of entry. And, privacy action only protects US citizen and permanet resident -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-10 (#3313550@0)

我用1099拿到了TN。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-10 (#3313566@0)

你是用1099拿到了TN? 拿到了TN后. 用1099报税? -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-10 (#3313622@0)

还没有开始用1099报税。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-10 (#3313764@0)

Indeed, IRS recognizes W2, independent contractor and Corp, these 3 type. Obviously, Corp is self employment, W2 is employee. Independent contractor is grey erea. In TN, you need employment letter or contract -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-10 (#3313776@0)

在没有弄清楚怎样用1099报税之前，我预备按照与W2类似的方式及税率来报税。也就是说把我的1099当做W2看待。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315148@0)

用1099拿到了TN后，除了用1099报税，还能怎么报税？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-10 (#3313773@0)

when apply for TN, did you tell the visa office that you are contractor? or you just present the employment letter and pretend to be employee ? -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-10 (#3313778@0)

我的employment letter 和 offer letter 写明了我是contractor。我没有特别提醒他们，问什么答什么，没说一句假话。我也出示了employment letter 和 offer letter。TN签证官看材料时非常仔细，耗时20分钟。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-10 (#3313797@0)

Some people 到美国注册新公司, 出 employment letter to himeself and got TN. That is what I was told in peace bridge, usics doesn't care how you pay tax, but you can not self employed in US -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3313910@0)

我是很大的公司给我出的employment letter and got TN。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3313969@0)

Did 你的employment letter 和 offer letter 写明了你是 Independent Contractor or just contractor ? TN only for 1 year, you are temporary employee or contractor. Independent Contractor is different from contractor -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3314552@0)

我的employment letter 和 offer letter 是用人部门严格地按照美国移民局的网站的要求来写的。我为什么要写多余的东西？再说，我的employment letter 和 offer letter 也不是我写的。我没有权利写多余的东西。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3314587@0)

你是没有权利写 letter. But 你 manipulate the meaning. You company and 移民局 interpret contractor as temporary employee. 你 interpret contract as 1099 contractor. Empoyment letter is for employer-employee relation -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3314899@0)

请问哪里可以找到官方的文字说明independent contractor不符合TN的要求？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315086@0)
是你在 manipulate the meaning 吧？My company and 移民局 interpret contractor （包括 independent contractor）as temporary employee. 你 interpret contract as self employment 。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315093@0)

你认为我应该在employment letter 和 offer letter 写明我不符合TN要求，希望美国移民局拒绝我的TN申请？实际上，我也不知道我是不是符合TN要求，但最终美国移民局批准了我的TN申请。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3314595@0)

请问你是不是先填W9，然后拿到钱？对于TN签证--我的理解是和纳税是两个不同的部门：Home land secuity will issue your visa as long as you have a contract. IRS will moniter your Tax issue. -searchant(antant); 2006-11-11 (#3315152@0)

W9是什么东西？我已经拿到钱了，但不知下一步应当怎样做？哪里可以找到相关的官方信息？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315262@0)

INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS CAN GET TN PERMITS -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315135@0)

Here is the full text of the advisory opinion. We are grateful to the U.S. Department of Justice INS, and in particular, Yvonne M. LaFleur, Chief of the Business & Trade Branch Adjudications. -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 {2669} (#3315151@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Here is the full text of the advisory opinion. We are grateful to the U.S. Department of Justice INS, and in particular, Yvonne M. LaFleur, Chief of the Business & Trade Branch Adjudications.

Readers of this Web site are the first to have public access to this information:

U.S. Department of Justice
Immigration and Naturalization Service
HQ 1815-C
425 I Street NW
Washington, DC 20536
FEB -5 1996

Mr. Joseph C. Grasmick
Cyclorama Building
Suite 300
Buffalo, New York 14202-1725

Dear Mr. Grasmick:

This is in response to your letter of November 9, 1995, concerning prohibited self-employment for a Canadian TN management consultant. I apologize for the delay in responding to you and hope that you were not unduly inconvenienced as a result.

For the purpose of your question, you state that a Canadian company provides services exclusively to an existing U.S. company. The prospective TN nonimmigrant is an employee of the Canadian company and also has an ownership share in that company. You ask whether the Canadian citizen would be permitted to perform services as a TN nonimmigrant for the U.S. company if he owns, respectively, less than 50 per cent, more than 50 per cent, or 100 percent of the Canadian company.

The nature of the prospective TN nonimmigrant's Canadian employer does not matter as long as the Canadian citizen is seeking entry to provide prearranged services for a U.S. entity. In order to obtain "TN" classification, a business person, including one who is self-employed in Canada, must be seeking entry to render pre-arranged professional services in the receiving NAFTA party. To constitute pre-arranged professional services, there must exist, prior to the time at which classification as a NAFTA Professional is sought, a formal arrangement to render professional service to an individual or an enterprise in the receiving NAFTA Party. The formal arrangement may be through an employee-employer relationship, or through a signed contract between the business person or the business person's employer and an individual or an enterprise in the receiving NAFTA Party.

Therefore, in the example that you have cited in your letter, the Canadian citizen would be eligible to apply for admission as a TN nonimmigrant no matter what his or her ownership share is in the Canadian company. However, his or her business activities in the United States must not include establishment of a business or practice or any other type of activity in which he or she will be self-employed.

I hope that this is responsive to your concerns.

Sincerely,

Yvonne M. LaFleur
Chief, Business & Trade Branch
Adjudications更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
http://www.grasmick.com/1996news.htm#INDEPENDENT
Go to this link The answer to first question. 1099 is self employed. For TN, self-employed is not permitted -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315243@0)

这是我第一份1099的工作，很多问题我都不清楚。不管怎样，谢谢你参加讨论。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315251@0)

Please use the interpretation from authority, such as IRS. Please look at the link I sent above. Go arounf wthin the references. 1099 makes you been trated as self employed worker -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315294@0)

这是美国税务局的解释。美国税务局与美国移民局在很多术语上名称相同但定义不同。美国税务局无权对美国移民法规进行解释。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315386@0)

You link proves you were cheating on INS. Your link says you are self-employed in Canada. You used the employment letter from US (not Canada), that is employment relationship between you and US company to get TN. -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315250@0)

1099不能是temporary employee吗？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315257@0)

There is no 1099 employee. If you afford the risk and don't want GC, you can do this. You SSN has 9 digits, and telephone have 10 digits, Is it harder for Gov to search your tax issue than finding the phone owner? -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315274@0)

我关心的事是我所做的事情是否合法。至于政府找不找得到我，不必你来操心。我每搬一次家都向加拿大，美国，新加坡三国政府申报变更地址和联系电话，担心政府找不到我的是我自己。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315292@0)

你所做的事情不合法. 你 are lucky, 如果政府找不得到你. If you want Green Card, it is not worth doing this. That is my advice -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315309@0)

你说我所做的事情不合法的法律何在？只凭你的嘴说吗？我知道诬陷和诽谤是犯法的。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315343@0)

Employment Definitions -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315276@0)

1099 Employee – A 1099 employee is in most cases a temporary employee (technically, not even an "employee"). -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315298@0)

内容 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 {526} (#3315305@0)
1099 Employee – A 1099 employee is in most cases a temporary employee (technically, not even an "employee"). Because they are not permanent, they do not need to complete a W-4 or have the employer withhold taxes. They are responsible for paying their taxes directly to the IRS. The IRS requires that the employer report the earnings paid on a form 1099. The IRS would rather put the burden of tax withholding on the employer and therefore has fairly stringent rules regarding when someone can be considered a 1099 employee.
http://seeker.dice.com/assets/help/help_seeker/other/employement_definitions.htm
It is IRS that has the ultimate right to do the translation. Not Dice. please look throughly into the link I sent above and do a good reserach. Have a nice evening! -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315319@0)

那你就歇歇吧，别累着了。It is IRS that has the ultimate right to do the translation. Not YOU！ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315339@0)

To IRS, you cliam the business relationship between you and your comapny to file 1099 return. 移民局和纳税是不同的部门, many people hope they won't share information. That's only true for US citizen adn PR, not alien -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315258@0)

你说什么呢？我还没有开始报2006年的税，我什么时候“cliam the business relationship between you and your comapny to file 1099 return”了？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315267@0)
请在这里讨论合法的事情。“移民局和纳税是不同的部门, many people hope they won't share information. That's only true for US citizen adn PR, not alien。”这句话与本话题无关。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315272@0)

我在讨论合法的事情. US privacy Act only prevent agency from passing indicidual information to other agencies for US PR and citizen. It is legal for INS to retrieve your info from IRS since you are Alien. -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-11 (#3315283@0)

“It is legal for INS to retrieve your info from IRS since you are Alien。”这句话与本话题有什么关系呢？我又没有做非法的事情。即使做了也不准备隐瞒。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-11 (#3315335@0)

You use employment letter to misrepresent INS that you are NOT self employed. You use your action to tell IRS you should be treated as self employed. 不是非法的事情是什么? 我是提醒你. -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-12 (#3315555@0)

你在这个帖子里提醒我考虑申请美国绿卡。TN是非移民签证。我现在没有任何计划申请美国绿卡。你提醒别人做非法的事情是非法的。我是提醒你。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315585@0)

感谢各位参加讨论,再问个初级问题,对于contractor, 大家一般讨论的hourly rate包括per diem吗?俺的agent给的rate如果不包括per diem就太少了... -shallwe(Zidane); 2006-11-12 (#3315407@0)

感谢你提出问题给我机会参加讨论。我的hourly rate不包括per diem。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315412@0)

I got a job for 1099 and got TN visa as an employee of US company. (ZT) -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315414@0)
Q12 Can an individual employed under TN visa classification be on 1099? -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315422@0)

A12 Yes. A TN status holder can be on 1099. A formal arrangement must exist to render professional service to an individual or an enterprise in the United States. -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315423@0)

A formal arrangement = employment letter from US in your case? If everyone can look up the answer on book or web, lawyers will lose their job. The best is to call an INS advisor/ field office in port of entry. -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-12 (#3315541@0)

你不是在说你是个失了业的lawyer，到这里做生意来了吧？ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315588@0)

美国税务局是无权对移民法规进行解释, 有权解释 your behavior. 你用1099, 你是 self employed. 什么是移民局对 self employment 的解释? Lokk this , search "9 FAM 41.59 N3.2 Employment required" -goodlord(goodlord); 2006-11-12 (#3315550@0)

这里是移民局对 self employment 的解释。但移民局在哪里说过1099 contractor 就一定是self employment ？据我的理解，1099 contractor 可以是self employment 也可以是temporary employee。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315573@0)

Independent Contractors vs. Employees -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-12 (#3315619@0)
请问楼主 shallwe(Zidane)，到现在为止，你得到了你想要的答案了吗？如果得到了，请把你的答案贴上来。谢谢！ -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-17 (#3325084@0)

不好意思,有点晕,不过得出一个结论就是米国的Canadian Contractor基本不注册自己的公司,一般都是w2+per diem ? -shallwe(Zidane); 2006-11-20 (#3330436@0)

也有一些人是1099。 -ustax(roliatax); 2006-11-20 (#3330588@0)

I agree with "ustax". My reason is -registereduser(立牌坊); 2006-11-17 {1157} (#3325888@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛First I agree with "ustax"'s notion "美国税务局无权对美国移民法规进行解释"。It is "NOT" IRS that has the ultimate right to do the translation. The ultimate interpretation right is held by 美国移民局 or court.

2nd, "ustax" does not express his/her intention of any kind of wrongdoing, so, concerns of "sharing of information" or would-be misleading have nothing to do with "ustax", but an independent topic.

Third, words "self employed" will have different meaning in different areas, such as taxation, contractual law, social insurance, and, immigration law. DON'T mix them.

Finally, after look at all links here as well as reference to my knowledge, I get following unconfirmed conclusion:

- 1099 payee in taxation law is surly a self-employed. However, it may not be excluded from TN visa. "Self-employed" as exclusion from TN visa is a "business", either sole trader or an incorporated entity controled by that person, having multiple payers and opening to general public. In other words, the central point of test is whether there is a sole payer.

I do need materially supports on this conclusion. Can anyone help me?更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
我与好几个Canadian Contractor 交流过，结论大体和registereduser(立牌坊)一致。其中一来自Moroco的兄弟还咨询过Lawyer, TN visa 与 IRS 1099 关系有些模糊。一般来说，TN 很少因为这个被拒。一旦Court 支持goodlord的结论，会麻烦不断。最好的结局还是W2 + per diem -searchant(antant); 2006-11-17 (#3326027@0)

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我用1099拿到了TN。

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