你说得挺对，中国人的CAS也要遵循同样的规则。但我觉得中国人为主体的CAS可能会有它特有的优势。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹) @BC省华人论坛:BC省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of BC

枫下茶话 / 社会 / 每次谈到CAS，我都会想起电影《刮痧》。实际上关于小孩的问题，文化的冲突由来已久。本地人对中国人教育方式，抚养方式的偏见根深蒂固！这实际上也是一种歧视，对中国传统文化的歧视。 -steve888(Steve曾经曰过); 2009-6-20 (#5358601@0)

大家组织一个华人CAS如何？ -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 {185} (#5358622@0)
我觉得儿童保护组织的存在的必要性是这个社会的共识。问题只是现有的CAS的行为在一定程度上走入了歧途。并且它的作为与华人正常传统文化严重冲突。大家何不象尤太等其他社区一样，建立起华人CAS呢？

Are you sure that there is a Jewish CAS? Can you please send me a link? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5358630@0)

Here we go: Jewish Family & Child is the Children’s Aid Society for the Jewish community in the GTA, -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358641@0)

good point +me -firetrain(火车头); 2009-6-20 (#5358858@0)

对中国传统文化的歧视? Chinese culture used to allow a husband to have many wives and wife muse obtain husband...... I can go on and on. Why don't we come up a full list of 对中国传统文化 and then pass it to Canada governemtn. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5358627@0)
今年参加了两个毕业典礼，一个中学的，一个大学的。优秀毕业奖的得主里，90%都是华人子弟。这说明，本地中国人教育方式，抚养方式，是令人嫉妒的。坐出租车的时候经常跟老印聊天，他们最佩服中国人的就是中国人对孩子的教育。 -oldyou(); 2009-6-20 (#5358638@0)

读书好一点用都没用，加拿大大学谁都可以去，我们公司华人的第2代，都是名牌大学毕业，没有一个人出人头地，相反老外的小孩虽然普通大学毕业，一个个都能说会道，很快爬上去，华人的小孩非常明显不会沟通，每个人都是不声不响，非常乖的，能力太差 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358860@0)

你也满能说会道的，比如批评死者，批评不幸的同胞。当然你也有不声不响，非常乖的时候，比如面对CAS -oldyou(); 2009-6-20 (#5358864@0)

他们又没有给我麻烦，不骂他们，再说想想当年俺老爸打俺的时候没有地方上诉，如果有CAS俺也可以吓吓俺老爸！！！如果你骂警察，俺可是有一肚子的气和你一起骂 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358871@0)

你这样的看法明显是脑子出了问题 -wpk(wpk); 2009-6-20 (#5358869@0)

我们一个像样的社会服务机构也没有,开个中国人的CAS,开玩笑! 犹太人有自己的CAS,NATIVE也有自己的CAS,因为他们的组织力强,我们只会在网上慌乱,在骂。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5358708@0)

还有,如果我们有中国人的CAS,这个CAS也要遵循游戏规则,到时你们会骂中国人的CAS在抓小孩,要钱嘛。是鱼网出问题,还是鱼夫出问题,你们还没搞明白。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5358709@0)

One thing is clear enough, 鱼 is dead. -oldyou(); 2009-6-20 (#5358773@0)

愿咱们都作点实在的事情。，避免＂鱼 dead，网 broken＂。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358855@0)

中国人的协会还少吗，铺天盖地 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358862@0)

以大陆人为主的，真正按西方非赢利组织的规则运作的，接受民众的监督的，公开投票选择DIRECTOR的机构，越多越好。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358874@0)

什么是以大陆人为主？还没有开就轻视其他各国地方的华人！！！香港人，台湾人，其他地方的华人是2等华人吗 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358882@0)

咱非常敬佩其他各地华人。不少香港人为主的机构办得都不错的。是我们大陆人学习的榜样，台湾人对民主的实践的有些经验，更是咱们大陆人的宝贵财富。但是，我们还是需要大陆人为主的CAS，因为这有利于发挥我们的特长，我们有着特别的移民背景，语言，文化和互相间的联系。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358898@0)

I know quite a few social workers that are from 香港人为主的机构 and they are really helping immigratns from China. I am also a volunteer and whenever there is someone who speak Chinese, they would jump over to help me (them). -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5358908@0)

You are excellent. -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358910@0)

nothing compared to them. No all HK people speak good Chinese but try to understand them. Most of them have a good heart even they like $$$$ a lot. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5358963@0)

就搞个CAS名下加拿大华人居委会好了，很容易找那些华人家庭的大妈，老师，老领导，找个地方，照顾CAS 找来的华人儿童 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358891@0)

那也是很好的办法之一。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358902@0)

好的说干就干，CAS是需要的，被拉走小孩的华人家长如果知道，小孩是去了华人的居委会照顾，他们也不会害怕，闹事，咱们大方向是在CAS领导下的华人居委会，居委会不好听，就搞个华人青少年之家，反正也不需要担心经济来源，有CAS给我们钱就可以了。 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358923@0)

I totally agree with you. If you would like to bring your idea to CAS and get their approval, I will be a volunteer in your team. -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 (#5358925@0)

俺是那条葱，问问那个ＯＮＴＡＲＩＯＣＡＳ，反正他们找寄养家庭也麻烦，中国人大部分没有其他家人在这里，小孩如果去了老外家吓得给吓死，不如搞个华人儿童之家 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358931@0)

其实儿童给带走后，父母担心是儿童去了哪里，谁照顾他们，安全问题，如果非常放心自己的孩子得到照顾，有问题的家长也可以放心去面对自己的问题，看医生的看医生，戒毒的戒毒，不会只想怎么把孩子拿回来，忘记自己的问题 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358933@0)
You can try. Otherwise you never know. I will be good volunteer. I'm paediatric health professional. -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 {57} (#5358960@0)
Thanks for talking. I'm leaving now. See you guys later.

谢谢您作为局内人，给出的这个形象比喻。 -oldyou(); 2009-6-20 (#5358792@0)
你说得挺对，中国人的CAS也要遵循同样的规则。但我觉得中国人为主体的CAS可能会有它特有的优势。 -wuyingwuying(俩孩子的爹); 2009-6-20 {525} (#5358849@0)
１。语言交流。
２。结合传统文化对案件的判别。
３。促进中国人家庭接收应急儿童。

＂我们一个像样的社会服务机构也没有＂，这句就有点问题了。香港人为主的机构还是不错的。咱大陆人的机构是还不怎么强，但这并不应当成为咱们放弃社会责任的理由。

＂网上慌乱,在骂＂当然不好，但网络提供了民众对服务机构的监督的平台，也有利于动然大众对服务机构的参与和支持。

我自己曾经担任过本地人为主的社区服务机构的DIRECTOR，我感觉西方非赢利组织的规则还是相当的成熟，咱们大陆人来到这里，咱们也应当学习，参与，实践这里的规则，让这些规则为我们服务。

华人CAS太快了吧，搞一个在CAS领导下的华人青少年之家吧，帮助CAS照顾给他们保护来的华人儿童，这样这些儿童的父母就比较放心 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358926@0)

CAS没什么可怕，家长恐慌的是孩子去了哪里，在一个放心地方，他们也会好好面对自己问题，CAS拿走你的孩子，只是给你个警告，没有什么可以害怕，如果有一个非常专业的华人儿童中心，让那些和父母暂时分开的华人小孩得到照顾和关爱，我相信会有更加多华人支持CAS的工作 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358956@0)

57%的少年犯与CAS有关，36%被的CAS保护的孩子进少管所。只有24%高中毕业。安省1%孩子被CAS所害 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/07/childrens-aid-070307.html http://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/publications_forms/bulletin/2008/08-07-04_public-forum.html -patrickholder(blm); 2009-6-20 {267} (#5358966@0)
57%的少年犯与CAS有关，36%被的CAS保护的孩子进少管所。只有24%高中毕业。安省1%孩子被CAS所害

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2007/03/07/childrens-aid-070307.html

http://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/publications_forms/bulletin/2008/08-07-04_public-forum.html

Page link:
http://www.lawsociety.bc.ca/publications_forms/bulletin/2008/08-07-04_public-forum.html

这个问题比较严重，很多来自暴力家庭的小孩，一方面有父母的遗传，这些儿童本来习惯于暴力下生活，突然没有暴力，他们也会失去控制，所以教育这些孩子太难 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358971@0)

有的小孩本来在不正常的家庭，散漫习惯了，去了正常家庭，要读书，要收规矩，反而是对他们的虐待，很多都逃离寄养家庭成为流浪少年 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5358975@0)

And most of these kids are not even in the custody of CAS, they lived with their own family!!! Besides, if a child who was abused by their parents for 10+ years and you expect CAS can correct them and to be 100% normal. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 {66} (#5358974@0)
BTW, how many tiem you posted the same the same discussion trhead?

If you want to try to have a Chinese CAS, you may want to start being a volunteer in your local CAS first. It takes time to gain the trust from the government and approve a new budget for you. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 {1003} (#5358970@0)
You have to show them you have the passion, knowledge, experience and qualification. You can talk those social workers from Hong Kong how difficult it was to get their first budget.

Just consider if you were the Minister of Children; someone who are totally new to CAS, come forward to ask for a budget. What would be your response? But if you have a group of personnel (20 - 50) who all have 5 - 10 years experience and able to show her a comprehensive and delivrable business plan (using familiar language), the chance that you can get a budget would be much higher.

So what is willing to volunteer for CAS? Please bear in mind even you don't have your own CAS, volunteer in your local CAS would already help Chinese community. Consider the benefit that Chinese family would have if everytime there is a family abuse in Chinese community, the CAS worker can visit the family with a volunteer who full understand Chinese culture. And you can comfort the parents with their mother language.
NATIVE 花了二十年成立他们的CAS,今天我们走出第一步,也不是一天可以有我们的CAS, -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5358979@0)

我最想成立一个大陆人的家庭服务,有CAS CONSULTATION CENTRE,有华人家庭小孩被CAS带走, 专家自愿者好象CAS员工提供意见,加上我们的PSYCHIATRIST,PSYCHOLOGIST, 医生自愿者提供即评估和COUNSELING,加快CAS法律过程。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5358980@0)

And if you want to Accelerate the proccess? You may want to consider to work with an organization that is well established by Hong King social workers. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 {467} (#5358996@0)
I won't say all the Hong Kong social workers understand Chinese culture as well as you do (at least, I am very terrbile poor myself) but I believe they are at least better than someone from Europe or born in North America.

Those HK organizations already have proven records and if you can help them to extend their services. It would be a win win situation.

And a few years later, once you have enough experience and credit, you may be able to start your own.
非常好，强力支持！！！ -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5359224@0)
在移民中有很多老师，辅导员，医生，如果可以让他们参加华人家庭服务中心，他们一定会比你们更加了解他们，建议CAS一些专业培训班，让辅导员知道CAS的法律，然后他们可以更加好辅导那些父母 -may11(May); 2009-6-20 (#5359228@0)

Toronto CAS has information session for volunteer. I believe other regaion would also have similar session. Please visit your local CAS web site. If you can't fight it, be part of it andchange it. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5359242@0)

Why is there a separate “Jewish” agency for families and children? -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 {652} (#5358986@0)
The Jewish community has a long and honourable tradition of caring for its most vulnerable members. As a Jewish agency, we understand the unique challenges and opportunities of Jewish life within a large secular community, and we are proud to offer programs and services in the context of Jewish values. Our status as the Jewish Children's Aid Society means that Jewish children in need of care are placed in Jewish foster homes. We are able to offer services in Russian, Hebrew, Yiddish and other languages spoken by those whose first language is not English. Many of our clients appreciate the comfort level inherent in dealing with a Jewish agency.
我支持搞一个华人CAS，可以和DAYCARE结合起来，问政府要钱。以后大家就可以放心把孩子放在那里，一个礼拜去看看就是了～～还不要钱～～满适合新移民的。 -ignoreme(别当真); 2009-6-20 (#5358992@0)
我也谈谈刮沙(SCRATCH OF THE WIND),CAS知道这个比你们还要多,新员工有指示处理方法。东欧人相信冥想,有个小孩有脑感染,爸爸信冥想是最有效疗法,你认为CAS应该界入吗? -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359263@0)

东欧人死了吗？事实上一直很想问问你，这些年跟CAS有关的父母死亡案件多不多？ -oldyou(); 2009-6-20 (#5359266@0)

死亡不是唯一标准, 东欧小孩没四,因为我用了权力保护了她。父母死亡这个是第一个我听到的案子。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359270@0)
Good question? If it is ok for you (don't want you to lost your job), do you know any similar case before. Parents killed themselves after CAS seized the children. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 (#5359271@0)

心理学里, 自杀原因有二个:TUNNEL VISION和ANGER REVERSE PROJECTION。大部分父母只会仇恨CAS,不会仇恨自己,因此不会选择自杀。我没有看过听过父母自杀案子。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359385@0)

什末逻辑！ -buug(Crouching Tiger); 2009-6-20 (#5359663@0)

I got a head ache but Eastern European colleague put his hand about 2 " on top of my head for about 5 minutes. Then he said I should be OK. As soon as he disappeared, I took 2 pain killer pills. -hkchan(*); 2009-6-20 {191} (#5359269@0)
I believe 刮沙 or acupuncture. But I don't dare to do it properly to my children, Im just used my finders instead. So CAS now what 刮沙 is.

If I were a CAS worker, I would take action.

我干了25年CAS,智力不够,你们帮帮我吧。有个印度父亲要把他的12岁女儿送回印度结婚,PRE-ARRANGED MARRIAGE是他们的文化, 老师把她带到CAS要见大头,结果呢,她见了我这个小头,我什么也不做,没这个权力,她把我骂到变猪头。 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359397@0)

真为你感到悲惨，为了一份工作，出卖良心，道德和灵魂。 -patrickholder(blm); 2009-6-20 (#5359406@0)

我有的是使命,保护儿童 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359408@0)

你把儿童从爱她们的父母那里抢去，放到你自己都不知道的地方去冒险。你是混Egg。 -patrickholder(blm); 2009-6-20 (#5359415@0)

还有东非人的女性割礼,把10-12岁女性下体割去,乘下二个小洞,一个小便,一个为男人服务,CAS要界入吗? 也是他们的文化啊 -ontariocas(CAS); 2009-6-20 (#5359407@0)

你还是去东非吧，那里有更多的人，等你解放 -patrickholder(blm); 2009-6-20 (#5359409@0)
你为什么对这种割礼如此清楚，“把10-12岁女性下体割去,乘下二个小洞,一个小便,一个为男人服务”, 别是一种变态？ -houseless(糊涂); 2009-6-20 (#5359728@0)

中国人离进化完成，还有很长的路要走。 -leogd(leogd); 2009-6-20 (#5359724@0)

@BC

你说得挺对，中国人的CAS也要遵循同样的规则。但我觉得中国人为主体的CAS可能会有它特有的优势。

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