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Janny Chen Report Comment
June 16th 2009, 10:32pm
Hi everyone, I'm David Chen's niece, and if you would like to support my uncle,
please go to this web site http://www.vracommittee.com and sign the petiton and
help drop the charges off my uncle. Thank you very much.
Born in retarded racist Toronto Report Comment
June 16th 2009, 2:19am
The africans are untouchable in the city of Toronto..wake up and smell the racism.
If the thief was any other race and the store owner was an "African" then medals and parades would have been the order of the day.
Ray Report Comment
June 7th 2009, 1:45pm
It's a joke !
No wonder the crime rate in Toronto goes up despite they hired more policemen. They waste the resource and taxpayers' money . Few years back, my house was broken-in, I waited 2 hours for the police to show up to take down the info, and since then I never heard anything from them. If this shopkeeper did not chase the thief, and called the police, would the police catch the thief ? The SHOPKEPPER should be awarded the citizen citation. The policeman should be demoted.
Lawson Ratcliffe Report Comment
June 5th 2009, 6:32pm
DON'T ARREST THE SHOPKEEPER GIVE HIM A MEDAL.
Funny Report Comment
June 4th 2009, 7:44am
pathetic... he's been stealing plants for years. He's a drug addict. Can't say his name, but I know him. ;)
to the chinatown heros Report Comment
June 2nd 2009, 11:55am
Ok here it is folks.You get caught shoplifting you get a slap on the wrist.And the biggest problem is that its not any certain race or culture doing these crimes its any of them.I use to work as a retail security and caught alot of theft iand let say doctors lawyers store owners ,regular people,and kids.For the owner of the store who has to take count of how much they have lost well it comes back to use who spend the money,we end up paying more.I am not saying the owners here where right on how they did it but they did what they could to protect the store.It could have been worst,some places in the world would cut your hand off for stealing.Hats off to the chinatown heros and I say to law makers not cop change the damn laws in these cases
Born in Cinatown justice Toronto Report Comment
May 29th 2009, 12:26pm
If the asian guy was caught shoplifting at University Heights..AKA:Jane N Finch and was bound and held for the police there would have been a celebration and citizen citations given out,awards,parades.Should have taken the at risk,victim of society youth directly to Lake Ontario.
Now the taxpayer will fund for the at riskers attorney and the asians will cough up out of their pocket,i say we get a community fundraiser and help out our fellow workers,we'd be called racists but so what?
Rose Report Comment
May 29th 2009, 2:19am
How could the store owner keep the shoplifter in a "friendly" way until the policemen arrived (2 hours later? or longer?). It was not fair for the store owner because now he was sued by the policemen for several reasons : physically attack the shoplifter, kidnap, hidden armed-the rope, oh, my god !
poor store owner, in order to get out of the retension from the police station tempararily (until the judge decides), his wife had to pay $7,500 for him and his two employees who helped to catch the shoplifter, total $7500 x 3 people = $22,500 (information provided from the Sing Tao daily news).
David Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 4:10pm
Do not screw up laws and justice, what the shop keepers did was catch the thief to protect their property and society. But the difference was that they tied up the thief with ropes not hand cuffs, in fact, they are heroes. The thief must be punished as a thief to warn all other thieves.
John_toronto Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 1:03pm
I feel very angry after reading what the policeman reacted to the situation. What's the owner supposed to after catching the shoplifter. From the video, he obviously trying to escape. Should the owner just hug him all the time until the police show up? In which case, I am sure he will be charged sexual harassment. The law is to PROTECT the honest people, not to PUNISH them. What kind of message does the police send out: just go out and steal anything you want, even they catch you, as long as you try to run, they cannot contain you, because we are here to protect you.
Leo Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 12:46pm
The only mistake these shopkeepers made was calling the police. They should have beat this guy senseless then dumped him in an alley somewhere. By charging these men police are sending the wrong message to law abiding citizens. I thought in Canada you had the right to protect your property, and as far as I'm concerned you still do. I will remember this and if a similar situation arises will not call the police but handle things my own way. I assure you any thief will think twice about screwing with me a second time. The police should have used their discretion here... but if they were able to do that they probably wouldn't have become cops in the first place. Only in TO. No wonder people stay away in droves.
Ethan Adam Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 10:46am
If I were on Chen's jury, I'd let him walk. He'll walk right home to make an honest gainful living which not everyone does or needs to in this welfare state.
Helmut Redermeier Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 9:16am
I would like to thank David Chan and the other 2 men for doing the right thing. Our laws only protect the criminals i guess it is a good thing for the law business. The canadian puplic is at the mercy of laws that punish us if we try to protect ourself or our property. The criminals get all the help and are welcome and imported from other regions in the world. Gun play every day in Toronto. Civil diobedients in Concord, during demonstrations all ok with do nothing BLAIR.
HR
Derrick LeDrew Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 8:20am
You wonder why criminals use Canada as a safe haven.It's the country where they can do as they please and get away with it.We as law abiding citizen can't even interfer with these people breaking the law.So you can't blame them for breaking the law when they know the law is on their side if we try and stop them.They walk and we get charged for even touching them.I believe the law calls it excessive force.I totally agree with what the shopkeepers did we should be able to protect our own property.These people went through the trouble to start a business to make a living and serve the public.You then have some loser that feels he can do what he wants and get away with it because he lives in Canada.
hugh Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 10:56pm
I sympathise with the shopkeepers and there are times when the laws are foolishly blind. All this tells me is that I should never get involved in stopping an obvious crime, as it is far safer to turn and walk the other way.
There are times in history that unfair and foolish laws are broken, and this is one of them.
If the criminal were stealing my property I would chase him down and hold him if necessary and if he is about to over power me I would restrain him till the police arrived.
If this is wrong how do you execute a citizens arrest? In case, I forget the criminals have more rights.
dalan Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 2:41pm
If I dare to assume at this point, that the news story is accurate. I would like to say to the chinatown
people and to most shopkeepers. Stage a protest. Tell your MP and Police Chief. If this shop owner is convicted. What is going to take place at your shops? I can imagine the shoplifter saying " don't you dare touch me, you can go to jail", and walking out of your store.
Reelair, I hope you are not prejudice. You are right that law must be able, that is how society can survive. Without laws, people can never live together because our thoughts and patterns are different. I hope yoy can understand laws were suposely created by the people to ensure we live
safely and decently and to protect someone comitting a crime. Let us protest !
Chris "Bundy" Young Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 7:50am
Pretty sad, the shop keepers did the right thing. What they didn't realize is that they are doing business in a "hug a crook" liberal city/province. I hope they learn their lesson and next time don't bother calling the cops, just take the crook out back, throw him the beating of his life and even break a couple of limbs...
go chinaman Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 5:40am
DEREK is a freakin idiot. you think people read into laws when they're getting robbed??? it's got nothing to with immigrants you fag. it's all about defending what you worked for. the guy deserved what he got and the shopkeepers should'nt be punish for defending themselves. and i'm glad you feel like a minority in this country... cause this was never a white mans country in the first place!!!
Rufufu Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:29am
Reelair:
I haven't changed my mind about you. You're still an idiot.
And to
Your Mama:
"... some monsters we lock up indefinately - Paul Bernardo." Tell me; does the name Carla Homolka ring a bell?
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:25am
This stuff happens all the time with respect to Police and the Law. The law is not perfect. How can the suffering of the victims ever be correctly ascertained by words written in Law? The police are trained to follow rules. Rules written by man, and interpreted by robots. 'Reasonable Force' - from who's perspective? The Police's - they can kill you if they feel threatened, From the shop keeper? - he just wanted to stop the theivery, - the thief; he just wanted to escape, and had bruises as evidence as an aliby! No One has the Right to defend oneself anymore! That's the message the Law is sending to everyone. Someone grabs your wallet, you can't punch them, you have to grap them, get assaulted in the process, you can't hit back either!
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:10am
To those 'moralists' that say that no one has the right to lay a hand on another, I say this: you think you are so more morally correct? You're NOT!!! Some people deserve to have the crap kicked out of them! ....if you disagree, I'm sure a list of names of sex-offenders, serial rapists, and so-forth should change your mind. If you still disagree, maybe you don't know squat. The problem lies with the perception of law in Canada. We assume they are perfect; but they are not; no law is ever written perfect; no human is created perfectly either. Not all humans are humans. Some are monsters we lock up indefinately - Paul Bernardo. Capital punishment on those rare instances makes common sense. Thiefs should be beaten - but not out malice.
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:59am
Charter rights of thief took precedence over property rights. TLet me ask you what you'd have done, if the theif was taking property from you? - and you could stop this theivery? - these shop keepers called the police in good faith -
Any thief deserves a beating - I don't care what the Canadian Charter Says. There is a wrong and a right here. And it should be clear as day to everyone. The fact the police got it so wrong proves otherwise.
But, you know, if you struggle, like he did, you deserve a beating, 'cause you don't realise what you're doing is stupid, and wrong, and dishonourable to yourself, your family - not to mention the true victim: the shop keeper - he never did anything to you? did he? why are you so angry?
Jenn Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:25am
To Reelair:
um, even if the shopkeepers did drive the van to the station, they probably would've still been convicted since they have to have some way of holding down the thief so the guy doesn't run. The question is, what did they expect the shopkeepers to do once they caught the thief and while they were waiting for the police? If they didn't tie him up or forcibly hold him back the guy would've obviously ran. So I guess this is a lesson that next time they should call the police and let the thief run, in which case the cops will end up having to FIND the thief after, or not even bother looking for him at all, since it's just a PLANT *rolls eyes*. $5 plant or $1000 furniture, theft is theft.
HAHAHA Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:09am
I love it!!! That has to be the funniest damn story I've heard in a long time!!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
Janny Chen Report Comment
June 16th 2009, 10:32pm
Hi everyone, I'm David Chen's niece, and if you would like to support my uncle,
please go to this web site http://www.vracommittee.com and sign the petiton and
help drop the charges off my uncle. Thank you very much.
Born in retarded racist Toronto Report Comment
June 16th 2009, 2:19am
The africans are untouchable in the city of Toronto..wake up and smell the racism.
If the thief was any other race and the store owner was an "African" then medals and parades would have been the order of the day.
Ray Report Comment
June 7th 2009, 1:45pm
It's a joke !
No wonder the crime rate in Toronto goes up despite they hired more policemen. They waste the resource and taxpayers' money . Few years back, my house was broken-in, I waited 2 hours for the police to show up to take down the info, and since then I never heard anything from them. If this shopkeeper did not chase the thief, and called the police, would the police catch the thief ? The SHOPKEPPER should be awarded the citizen citation. The policeman should be demoted.
Lawson Ratcliffe Report Comment
June 5th 2009, 6:32pm
DON'T ARREST THE SHOPKEEPER GIVE HIM A MEDAL.
Funny Report Comment
June 4th 2009, 7:44am
pathetic... he's been stealing plants for years. He's a drug addict. Can't say his name, but I know him. ;)
to the chinatown heros Report Comment
June 2nd 2009, 11:55am
Ok here it is folks.You get caught shoplifting you get a slap on the wrist.And the biggest problem is that its not any certain race or culture doing these crimes its any of them.I use to work as a retail security and caught alot of theft iand let say doctors lawyers store owners ,regular people,and kids.For the owner of the store who has to take count of how much they have lost well it comes back to use who spend the money,we end up paying more.I am not saying the owners here where right on how they did it but they did what they could to protect the store.It could have been worst,some places in the world would cut your hand off for stealing.Hats off to the chinatown heros and I say to law makers not cop change the damn laws in these cases
Born in Cinatown justice Toronto Report Comment
May 29th 2009, 12:26pm
If the asian guy was caught shoplifting at University Heights..AKA:Jane N Finch and was bound and held for the police there would have been a celebration and citizen citations given out,awards,parades.Should have taken the at risk,victim of society youth directly to Lake Ontario.
Now the taxpayer will fund for the at riskers attorney and the asians will cough up out of their pocket,i say we get a community fundraiser and help out our fellow workers,we'd be called racists but so what?
Rose Report Comment
May 29th 2009, 2:19am
How could the store owner keep the shoplifter in a "friendly" way until the policemen arrived (2 hours later? or longer?). It was not fair for the store owner because now he was sued by the policemen for several reasons : physically attack the shoplifter, kidnap, hidden armed-the rope, oh, my god !
poor store owner, in order to get out of the retension from the police station tempararily (until the judge decides), his wife had to pay $7,500 for him and his two employees who helped to catch the shoplifter, total $7500 x 3 people = $22,500 (information provided from the Sing Tao daily news).
David Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 4:10pm
Do not screw up laws and justice, what the shop keepers did was catch the thief to protect their property and society. But the difference was that they tied up the thief with ropes not hand cuffs, in fact, they are heroes. The thief must be punished as a thief to warn all other thieves.
John_toronto Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 1:03pm
I feel very angry after reading what the policeman reacted to the situation. What's the owner supposed to after catching the shoplifter. From the video, he obviously trying to escape. Should the owner just hug him all the time until the police show up? In which case, I am sure he will be charged sexual harassment. The law is to PROTECT the honest people, not to PUNISH them. What kind of message does the police send out: just go out and steal anything you want, even they catch you, as long as you try to run, they cannot contain you, because we are here to protect you.
Leo Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 12:46pm
The only mistake these shopkeepers made was calling the police. They should have beat this guy senseless then dumped him in an alley somewhere. By charging these men police are sending the wrong message to law abiding citizens. I thought in Canada you had the right to protect your property, and as far as I'm concerned you still do. I will remember this and if a similar situation arises will not call the police but handle things my own way. I assure you any thief will think twice about screwing with me a second time. The police should have used their discretion here... but if they were able to do that they probably wouldn't have become cops in the first place. Only in TO. No wonder people stay away in droves.
Ethan Adam Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 10:46am
If I were on Chen's jury, I'd let him walk. He'll walk right home to make an honest gainful living which not everyone does or needs to in this welfare state.
Helmut Redermeier Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 9:16am
I would like to thank David Chan and the other 2 men for doing the right thing. Our laws only protect the criminals i guess it is a good thing for the law business. The canadian puplic is at the mercy of laws that punish us if we try to protect ourself or our property. The criminals get all the help and are welcome and imported from other regions in the world. Gun play every day in Toronto. Civil diobedients in Concord, during demonstrations all ok with do nothing BLAIR.
HR
Derrick LeDrew Report Comment
May 28th 2009, 8:20am
You wonder why criminals use Canada as a safe haven.It's the country where they can do as they please and get away with it.We as law abiding citizen can't even interfer with these people breaking the law.So you can't blame them for breaking the law when they know the law is on their side if we try and stop them.They walk and we get charged for even touching them.I believe the law calls it excessive force.I totally agree with what the shopkeepers did we should be able to protect our own property.These people went through the trouble to start a business to make a living and serve the public.You then have some loser that feels he can do what he wants and get away with it because he lives in Canada.
hugh Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 10:56pm
I sympathise with the shopkeepers and there are times when the laws are foolishly blind. All this tells me is that I should never get involved in stopping an obvious crime, as it is far safer to turn and walk the other way.
There are times in history that unfair and foolish laws are broken, and this is one of them.
If the criminal were stealing my property I would chase him down and hold him if necessary and if he is about to over power me I would restrain him till the police arrived.
If this is wrong how do you execute a citizens arrest? In case, I forget the criminals have more rights.
dalan Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 2:41pm
If I dare to assume at this point, that the news story is accurate. I would like to say to the chinatown
people and to most shopkeepers. Stage a protest. Tell your MP and Police Chief. If this shop owner is convicted. What is going to take place at your shops? I can imagine the shoplifter saying " don't you dare touch me, you can go to jail", and walking out of your store.
Reelair, I hope you are not prejudice. You are right that law must be able, that is how society can survive. Without laws, people can never live together because our thoughts and patterns are different. I hope yoy can understand laws were suposely created by the people to ensure we live
safely and decently and to protect someone comitting a crime. Let us protest !
Chris "Bundy" Young Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 7:50am
Pretty sad, the shop keepers did the right thing. What they didn't realize is that they are doing business in a "hug a crook" liberal city/province. I hope they learn their lesson and next time don't bother calling the cops, just take the crook out back, throw him the beating of his life and even break a couple of limbs...
go chinaman Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 5:40am
DEREK is a freakin idiot. you think people read into laws when they're getting robbed??? it's got nothing to with immigrants you fag. it's all about defending what you worked for. the guy deserved what he got and the shopkeepers should'nt be punish for defending themselves. and i'm glad you feel like a minority in this country... cause this was never a white mans country in the first place!!!
Rufufu Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:29am
Reelair:
I haven't changed my mind about you. You're still an idiot.
And to
Your Mama:
"... some monsters we lock up indefinately - Paul Bernardo." Tell me; does the name Carla Homolka ring a bell?
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:25am
This stuff happens all the time with respect to Police and the Law. The law is not perfect. How can the suffering of the victims ever be correctly ascertained by words written in Law? The police are trained to follow rules. Rules written by man, and interpreted by robots. 'Reasonable Force' - from who's perspective? The Police's - they can kill you if they feel threatened, From the shop keeper? - he just wanted to stop the theivery, - the thief; he just wanted to escape, and had bruises as evidence as an aliby! No One has the Right to defend oneself anymore! That's the message the Law is sending to everyone. Someone grabs your wallet, you can't punch them, you have to grap them, get assaulted in the process, you can't hit back either!
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 1:10am
To those 'moralists' that say that no one has the right to lay a hand on another, I say this: you think you are so more morally correct? You're NOT!!! Some people deserve to have the crap kicked out of them! ....if you disagree, I'm sure a list of names of sex-offenders, serial rapists, and so-forth should change your mind. If you still disagree, maybe you don't know squat. The problem lies with the perception of law in Canada. We assume they are perfect; but they are not; no law is ever written perfect; no human is created perfectly either. Not all humans are humans. Some are monsters we lock up indefinately - Paul Bernardo. Capital punishment on those rare instances makes common sense. Thiefs should be beaten - but not out malice.
Your Mama Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:59am
Charter rights of thief took precedence over property rights. TLet me ask you what you'd have done, if the theif was taking property from you? - and you could stop this theivery? - these shop keepers called the police in good faith -
Any thief deserves a beating - I don't care what the Canadian Charter Says. There is a wrong and a right here. And it should be clear as day to everyone. The fact the police got it so wrong proves otherwise.
But, you know, if you struggle, like he did, you deserve a beating, 'cause you don't realise what you're doing is stupid, and wrong, and dishonourable to yourself, your family - not to mention the true victim: the shop keeper - he never did anything to you? did he? why are you so angry?
Jenn Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:25am
To Reelair:
um, even if the shopkeepers did drive the van to the station, they probably would've still been convicted since they have to have some way of holding down the thief so the guy doesn't run. The question is, what did they expect the shopkeepers to do once they caught the thief and while they were waiting for the police? If they didn't tie him up or forcibly hold him back the guy would've obviously ran. So I guess this is a lesson that next time they should call the police and let the thief run, in which case the cops will end up having to FIND the thief after, or not even bother looking for him at all, since it's just a PLANT *rolls eyes*. $5 plant or $1000 furniture, theft is theft.
HAHAHA Report Comment
May 27th 2009, 12:09am
I love it!!! That has to be the funniest damn story I've heard in a long time!!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net