华隆老板娘 did nothing wrong! She did right and I hope she would not give up her right to demand Toronto Police to launch an investigation to see if the 2 police officers did anything wrong! I would fully support her! -hkchan(0) @BC省华人论坛:BC省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of BC

枫下茶话 / 社会 / 華隆事件峰迴路轉警控黑婦傷人偷竊超市老闆聞訊心情舒暢 -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5436912@0)

熱心者紛致電超市代表律師提供資料市民挺身頂證促成警方提控 Great to see 熱心者 come up to help our community! -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5436925@0)

高兴。 -alwayshapp(春风拂面); 2009-7-23 (#5437011@0)

＂不希望警民關係變得很差﹐＂西方的文化里从来不明白中国人＂得理且饶人＂的中庸之道。在他们眼里根本分辨不出这跟怯弱无能愚昧可欺有什么不同。 -oldyou(); 2009-7-23 (#5436949@0)

Is there any difference? 怯弱无能愚昧可欺 and 得理且饶人? There may be a fundamental difference but most people can't tell the difference. Do you think the 2 police officers would learn their lesson? -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {564} (#5436997@0)
I think they would but the lesson they learn may be a bad one. They know they can do whatever they want without any consequence within Chinese community.

If the Chinese community continue to put pressure on police until they offically apologize and take disipline actions against the 2 police officers, then the lesson would be totally different.

But at least we leart a good lesson, we should stand up and help ourselves. There are good sebastians who would be willing to help you.

Similar story for the Vancouver family who lost their daugther to CAS.

所以说，你地香港同胞比大陆同胞更接近西方。中国同胞无论是工作场所，还是生活百事，跟人玩中庸只道，只会被人当作善类好欺。跟中国人不同，印八同事普遍混得比国移强，不全是因为语言优势，更重要的是在趋炎附势，得势张扬的犬儒文化方面得了西方真传。 -oldyou(); 2009-7-23 (#5437156@0)

I agree with you about Indian immigrants and our Chinese culture. But we are in a western county, we have to adopt ourselves into their culture in order to survive. Consider if these 2 police officers do similar thing in a Jewish supermarket. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {61} (#5437182@0)
Jewish would never give up their right to uphold the justice.
BTW, I didn't learn all these in Hong Kong. I started to change myself couple years after I came to Canada. I didn't want to be a junior programmer for the rest of my life. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5437224@0)
agree. they can do everything the boss wanted. really human dogs. -123(Leon); 2009-7-23 (#5437594@0)

speak up chinese -123(Leon); 2009-7-23 {269} (#5437571@0)
I have seen so many deeds done by India or the black - rude shopping in chinese supremarket. In these case, the chinese owner should step out to correct them, not just withstand or ignore or afraid of no businese. they will not the same rude deeds in other supermarket.

陈旺兄弟step out了，被井叉charge了四项罪名，到现在还不肯撤。这一次要不是他们错大发了媒体持续发酵，他们肯定也不会轻易改错。这不就这样了还死不认错呢，真的服了这帮人的死猪皮。 -oldyou(); 2009-7-23 (#5437589@0)

Did he break any law? Did he break the same law before? What law did he break? And why there is such law? Is the law supposed to protect general public? I think we should understand the facts behind 陈旺case. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5438016@0)

老陈呀，法律是最后的底线，法律和道德并不冲突。所有的东西都是建立在道德基础上的。抓贼是正当的，结果法律出来进行干预，你不觉得立这个法的宗旨被误读么？我见过太多的所谓专家的所谓解释～～唉，怎么人脑有时就是不咋好使呢？ -ignoreme(别当真); 2009-7-23 (#5438065@0)

if you trace back the discussion, you may find I was the first one who posted the news. I was very upset how come Chinese always get bully. I also posted the news about "華埠超市竊賊窮兇極惡老闆娘" -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {781} (#5438111@0)
However, after I talked to 2 lawyers and after they explained to me how the law can protect general public.

Think about it, if every civilian can arrest people that they believe are crime suspect; what would happen? When you are dating your dream girl in a nice restaruatn; someone can jump out and arrest you in front of your dream girl. And only after you are taken to police station then they find out you are not the suspect. Do you want that happened to you? I don't!

And according to newspaper, Mr. did the same thing once and he was warned by the police officer before that he couldn't arrest a suspect himself. He know about it and he still did it again.

So may I ask you if you want our government to let any civilian to arrest any suspect that they want.

I do. Here the law is bullshit, lawyer even more bullshit. -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-7-23 (#5438151@0)

so you don't mind people mistake you as a suspect and arrest you! -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5438178@0)

怎么人脑有时就是不咋好使呢 -jacobtour(小舟); 2009-7-23 (#5438236@0)

I hope you understand the reason I posted this news to this forum is to draw our community attention that Toronto police didn't do a proper job. Poor 陈旺 got arrested becuase police officer ignored crime in China Town. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {354} (#5438264@0)
So 陈旺did something right but against the law! And my opinion is just that the law is there to protect all of us. We should not change the law but we should persuade Toronto Police to face their wrong doing and send a correct message to everyone. Anyone break the law would be arrested; no matter you just stole a bottle of coke or 1 million dollars.

这次华隆老板娘的事，按你说，是不是犯法了？嫌犯已经不在做案进行中，而商家也木有损失。商家限制嫌犯自由离开的权力，算啥？因为商家已经报警？OK,那你和你女友DATING，如果有人告诉你不要动，警察马上就到，如果你动，他们将阻止你，你咋办？ -ignoreme(别当真); 2009-7-23 {326} (#5438206@0)
只要对方确实报警，你是白白被玩。因为他一句我认错人了，啥事没有。你的DATING一样被RUIN。合法不合法，对你来说，一点区别没有。你举的例子很不好，因为这样的事极少发生！而一旦发生，OK，那么一定要严肃对待：谁是谁非，调查了再判定。如果法律不禁止公民行驶逮捕权，但是警告公民要对自己的逮捕行为负责，你以为你想象的事，天天，到处，发生？？

华隆老板娘 did nothing wrong! She did right and I hope she would not give up her right to demand Toronto Police to launch an investigation to see if the 2 police officers did anything wrong! I would fully support her! -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {930} (#5438249@0)
Under the current law, only peace officers has the right to arrest suspect. Anyone want to arrest me and use physical force to stop me; they would face the same chage that poor 陈旺 faced now. I am protected by the law! And I may even sue whoever tried to arrest for any physical and mental damage. But if the law allows civilian to arrest any suspect, do I have any right to protect myself as innocent from other civilians?

And in the case of 华隆; the story is differnt. They caught the suspect in the scene when the suspect tried to steal goods from the supermarket. And the law allows us to use reasonable force at such condition. The most ridicous part is the police officers didn't lay any charge against the suspect and let her go!!!

So if someone break into your house, you can arrest them. But if he run away and tomorrow you see him in a shopping mall, you have to call police and let them do their job!

speak up now! or you would be 陈旺II, 陈旺III, 陈旺IV, 陈旺V.............. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 (#5438268@0)

旺仔和华隆的老板并无意冒犯法律，他们是在现有制度无法保障自己的情况下，自卫。如果警察对小额盗窃不予干预，造成公民对制度的不信任，更加有害。我们应该看到的是法律在保障“无辜”人士，并非保障真的小偷。所以，小小修正就好。 -ignoreme(别当真); 2009-7-23 {244} (#5438128@0)
还是老话，有需要的商家可以联署向警局要求增派扫街军装警员，相关费用由商家支付（象游行请警察一样，可以请空班警察）。如果情况好转，商家再要求撤警。这么容易一件事，很难解决么？如果按老陈你的想法，通过重省法律以至修正，的确可以，但是花的时间就长了。

I totally agree with you that if police officer did their job, and arrested everyone who stole at Chinese supermarket; there would be no 陈旺 incident. I think the Toronto police are morally responsible for both cases. -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {1134} (#5438174@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Who give police officer the right NOT to arrest people who stole good that are less than certain amount? If I go to Walmart and steal a coke, I think Walmart would still ask police to arrest me. Why do police officer treat Chinese supermarket differently?

The police officer argued that there are too many stealing in China Town; so they don't have the resource to catch every suspect. This is totally BS! If they really did their job; arrest every thief that stole thing in China Town; do they think the crime rate in China Town would still be that high. And it is their responsibility to allocate resources, if China Town's crime rate is so high that they would not even arrest every single suspect, they should deploy more police officer.

Again, if I still something from Walmart, I wonder if it would take a few hours before any police officers show up like China town.

I think it is discrimination! And I hope our community can use this opportunity to force the police to face their shortcoming and correct this long term problem!

BUT I don't want our government to give civilian the right to arrest suspect!更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
and this is why I don't like "得理且饶人", If I 得理 then fix the problem, not just patch the probelm! The problem is the police officers in China Town didn't take crime seriously! -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {462} (#5438198@0)
I didn't ask to reform the Act, I like the Act the way it is. But I don't like how Toronoto Police handle the crime in China Down! I want to know if Toronoto Police handle crime the same way in Loblaw, Walmart or even Jewish community; i.e. don't show up for a few hours when someone called 911 and let the suspect just walked away. If they handle the crime differently, then it is DISCRIMINATION!!!!

And we should not just stand aside and do nothing!!!

I just heard from radio; so it may not be 100% true. The news is there was another stealing yesterday at 華隆. The owner caught a thief who stole about $60 worth of fruit. They called police and police showed up within 10 minutes! -hkchan(0); 2009-7-23 {191} (#5438507@0)
I am not sure if this is the record of China Town. But we can see if we do it properly, we can change our condition of our community! We can improve it! We can make our community stronger!

@BC

华隆老板娘 did nothing wrong! She did right and I hope she would not give up her right to demand Toronto Police to launch an investigation to see if the 2 police officers did anything wrong! I would fully support her!

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