来自TTC员工的无比愤怒:应对偷拍者绳之以法! -manzhen(manzhen) @BC省华人论坛:BC省枫下论坛 The Rolia Forum of BC

枫下茶话 / 社会 / 来自TTC员工的无比愤怒:应对偷拍者绳之以法! -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 {1158} (#5869092@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛这些天来,一些社会闲杂人员,不顾最基本的社会道德,偷拍TTC员工,并发到网上,扇东起社会上一些不明真相的人们对TTC的反感.

昨天我上班,在调度大厅里,很多的TTC员工也在讨论此事,大家都十分愤怒,现在怎么会有这么多的人分不清好坏,不知好歹!

乘客们真要好好先检查一下自己的行为再说话,看看车上,每天早上打扫的干干净净的车厢,到了晚上就满地垃圾,象个大垃圾箱,乘客没有道德,到处扔垃圾,TTC被迫花费大量人力物力来清扫,而周边的城市,比如密西沙加,就禁止乘客带食品饮料上车,连小孩子坐的童车都不可以,比须手抱小孩,童车折叠才可上车,TTC宽松的优厚的规定,某些人却得了便宜还卖乖.

还有很多乘客不检点、到处小便,甚至在电梯里随地小便；如果进入WORDEN地铁站的公厕，便可以清楚地了解什么是多伦多乘客的素质,臭不可闻.

TTC员工每天都会遇到不付车票的“霸王”乘客；每天车上污言秽语,每天都听到FXXK,SHXT.......昨天,我的车SHORT TURN,又满车是这种秽语,这就是对司机的侮辱。

大家都表示，按照TTC的法规，乘客是不允许随便在公车上拍摄的，希望公司管理层能够严格执行法规，保护员工的隐私,将偷拍者绳之以法,有人还表示，媒体为了博取民众的注意力，也在照片的事情上小题大做，大家准备总工会写信，号召会员们联合抵制购买报纸……

绝大多数的TTC员工都是忍辱负重地辛勤工作,大家应有自己的观点,不要受被一些别有用心的人的煽动.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

楼猪混成TTC司机实在太屈才，应该调去苗大尾的市委宣传部当部长。 -oldyou(玩得太久，爱弟报废。); 2010-2-8 (#5869103@0)
建议所有的忍辱负重的ttc员工辞职，由来自印巴的出租车司机，来自中国的泪伯工，来自非洲的难民经培训后接替。 -ilovecar6021(车还没坏呢); 2010-2-8 (#5869118@0)

ttc员工辞职去干啥？就算去当堂跳劈腿舞，那一身的赘肉，估计看的人也不多。 -oldyou(玩得太久，爱弟报废。); 2010-2-8 (#5869121@0)

恶毒的人身攻击! -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 (#5869375@0)

如果大家都对TTC员工又“恶毒”攻击，就说明一定是有一定的问题。。。 -guanshui88(约定); 2010-2-8 (#5869407@0)

remember our Mexico neighbours. We have a lot of supply if those TTC drivers decide to walk away on their $450 shoes. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869144@0)

拿纳税人的钱，提供公众服务，接受公众监督，很简单的道理。说白了，是乘客们纳税人们养活着TTC, 是老板和雇员的关系，哪里有雇员不接受老板监督的道理！至于随地大小便等不守公德的乘客，我也支持给与惩罚，但这是两回事。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2010-2-8 (#5869126@0)

TTC drivers beleive they are protected by union, so they don't need to care about their customers nor their boss nor their management. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869162@0)
TTC总收入的75%来自自身的运营,其它来自三级政府的补贴,注意,不是只是市府,世界上几乎所有的城市公交都有政府补贴,TTC的补贴是最少的,渥太华的公交补贴竟占到70%,TTC拿的补贴这么少,原因就是员工的辛勤和努力,高效运作,尽量不拿政府的钱, -arrowroad2(震三江); 2010-2-8 {121} (#5869166@0)
TTC的福利跟市府的其它部门比较,也是很一般的,
在工资上,警察37/小时,消防队35/小时,TTC起薪才21/小时,垃圾工起薪23,可以说很少.

所以张本力说，TTC是北美公交局成功的典范，他去竞选市长，如同探囊取物，但是坚决不辞公交局长职。 -oldyou(玩得太久，爱弟报废。); 2010-2-8 (#5869173@0)
It is exactly this sense of self-entitlement put TTC on the other side of the public. pity. -mikesmith(老猫); 2010-2-8 (#5869177@0)
Could you please show me the data to support TTC的补贴是最少的... I'm wondering what about Tokyo and HK... -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2010-2-8 (#5869558@0)

Below is a link to Hong Kong MTR financial summary for the last 5 years. They are making a lot of money on their own without government funding. My understanding is that all public transport in HK are prviate company, i.e. 0% government funding. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5870394@0)

很简单：解散工会，公开招聘。就开车这点事，20元一小时大把人可以做。 -dbs2004(咸郎平); 2010-2-8 (#5870450@0)

一语中的，支持。 -leonardmars(小马识途); 2010-2-8 (#5869539@0)

I am sorry to hear all the terrible things that you mentioned. I suggested you to look for a job in T&T supermarket. They may have better working environment. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869150@0)
BTW, did you ask union lawyer if we can 明拍? Everyime, I see a TTC driver walk away from the bus to take a coffee break, I would let the driver know that I am going to take a video. So it is a 明拍 not a 偷拍! -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869160@0)
好奇：TTC 的什么法规规定不允许乘客在公车上拍摄？根据是什么？ -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 (#5869169@0)

就是有这个规定,你看记者,从不敢在TTC上拍片,那是要重罚的,罚2000刀. -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 (#5869353@0)

下次遇到这种司机下车买东西的情况，乘客可以跟下车拍，大家一人一次就整死这些寄生虫！ -guanshui88(约定); 2010-2-8 (#5869388@0)
能不能帮忙问问，具体是什么规定？ -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 (#5869413@0)
规定禁止的是商业目的拍摄。 -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 {189} (#5869899@0)
TTC By-Law No.1

3.17 No person shall operate any camera, video recording device, movie camera or any similar device for commercial purposes upon the transit system without authorization.

Thank you! I would continue to take picture or video on TTC. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5870361@0)

you can't post it on youtube then, you can make money out there -vetra(豆泡果之多泡泡); 2010-2-8 (#5870395@0)

I can sent to newspaper / TV and of couse, our lovely Rolia. I hope TTC won't take legal action against Rolia! -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5870413@0)

你们看,这个manzhen简直就是混淆是非, 把商业用途禁止说成个人用途禁止. -robins(robins); 2010-2-12 (#5882180@0)

TTC自己制定的法律？ -sunnybabby(阳光宝宝); 2010-2-8 (#5870642@0)

乘客是什么？公交车的乘客就是公众。公众包括社会上千奇百怪的所有人。你无法用“公众不讲道德”的借口为你自己不守纪律开脱，因为每个守纪律的人也都面对同样的公众。公共服务部门，只能设法适应公众，为公众服务。 -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 (#5869175@0)

绝大多数TTC员工都是尽职的员工,极少数人的不当行为被无限扩大,这是问题的关键,几张照片说明什么?如果让TTC上的录像机来拍乘客的丑态,那就多了去了,上千件都会有,那你能说多伦多的乘客都这操行吗? -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 (#5869368@0)

作为TTC员工就应该受到监督，否则你去做乘客好了。 -guanshui88(约定); 2010-2-8 (#5869397@0)
TTC 是一个团体，人们可以评价这个团体的好坏。公众不是一个团体，无法混为一谈。 -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 (#5869430@0)
TTC 的职工，任何人上班睡觉，任何人丢下乘客去买咖啡，都应该被开除，永远不允许再进TTC工作。不杀一个，不足以平民愤。。 -111111(快乐老家); 2010-2-8 (#5871568@0)

你这不是更激化干群关系？TTC的工会干部们知道你这样的帖子，应该警告你破坏了他们和普通乘客的和谐关系~~ -fxid(闲聊灌水); 2010-2-8 (#5869217@0)

TTC员工与乘客的矛盾被前所未有地激化,就是那个照片给搞的,三年后,合约期满,肯定再次罢工,给这些不知好歹的人一点颜色看看! -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 (#5869337@0)

罢工？原本还有些同情理解，现在只剩下愤怒了。。。什嘛玩意儿，加拿大这个国家，如果不根除这些毒瘤，迟早玩儿完。。。。。。 -nicotine(2012); 2010-2-8 (#5869351@0)
Go ahead and strike now. And face our anger! -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869746@0)
你一样是个TTC无赖，你们每次合同期满没有不罢工的，不要那这种事当借口 -johnnyzh(bubble); 2010-2-9 (#5871674@0)
彻头彻尾的无赖 -weiwei018(hai); 2010-2-9 (#5871792@0)

One way to solve the problem is to privatize it or open more transit services for competition. Many years ago, Bell used to be like today's TTC. See what happens Bell now. -hello_amigo(多情卻似总无情); 2010-2-8 (#5869429@0)

+1 -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869735@0)

TTC上应该有录像/显示监控，既可以对乘客监控，也可以对司机监控。说明在这样一个场所录像是合法的。在工作时间和工作场所，乘客有权利对司机录像。如果司机下班了还对司机录像就属于隐私问题了。乘客付钱买票，有权对提供服务的司机监督。。。 -noproblem(密西洒家。o O); 2010-2-8 (#5869310@0)

车上装有四个录象机,那只是针对犯罪的,如果你上班时,有个录象机对着你,给你录象,你觉得好吗?这是侵犯人权的,不可能. -manzhen(manzhen); 2010-2-8 (#5869344@0)

我上面讲的是合法的问题，现在讲合理的问题。TTC对乘客录像监控，反过来乘客也有权对TTC录像监控，这样才是平等的。很多服务大众的场合都是可以自由拍摄录相的，为什么TTC就不可以？。。。 -noproblem(密西洒家。o O); 2010-2-8 (#5869371@0)

罕见地支持你一次。对付TTC，就得你拍，我拍，大家拍。。。。 -oldyou(玩得太久，爱弟报废。); 2010-2-8 (#5869378@0)

银行大厅里都有摄像机，既监视顾客，也监视员工。事实上，如果你值得相信，那么就不用监视。但是，如果员工不可信，那么对员工进行监视也是不得不采用的方法。 -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-8 (#5869445@0)
You are WRONG. It's perfectly legal to install camera in work place. -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2010-2-8 (#5869565@0)
I know software company monintor how their employee use their computer. I have no problem to be monitored because I am doing a good job. -hkchan(0); 2010-2-8 (#5869738@0)
TTC 是服务性行业，属窗口单位，乘客有权利对司机录像。 -weiwei018(hai); 2010-2-9 (#5871793@0)

Get a BREAK. You do really need it indeed. Take a stress leave now. Your Union will protect you as they need people like you to maintain their good life as blood suckers. -thornthorn(Holy Moly); 2010-2-8 (#5869426@0)
Some comments from Torontonians. There are hundreds if thousands of them.. Here are just a few. -mikesmith(老猫); 2010-2-8 {1840} (#5869459@0)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1) LOL. Here's the deal, we pay YOU to do your job, not the other way around. So either YOU do it or we will find someone else who will.

2) They should follow the model of York Region. The YRT owns the vehicles and maintains the routes, but the people who drive the buses and maintain them are employees of contracted companies. I believe that there are five different ones operating the system right now. Each route is accountable to one of them.

3) Wow. Apparently there's no "minimum age" when it comes to immaturity ... (i.e. instead of owning up and admitting there are a few bad apples, the bottom of the gene pool figure it's better to strike back "ad hominum" ...). Pathetic.

4) Perhaps they've never heard that two wrong don't make a right. We had a transit strike for two months in Ottawa a year ago and they still haven't recovered their ridership as people found other ways to get around, car pooling, biking, etc. Just do your jobs, TTC, and the public won't have anything to complain about. And if you don't want to do that, realize you can easily be replace by people who are willing to work for their pay cheques.

5) classic example of union bullying. this is a classic example of the unions trying to bully management. it was, and continues to be a huge part of the problem with the Big 3 in the US (workers are ridiculously overpaid and get insane benefits compared to competitors of the Big 3). unfortunately we here in toronto don't have the option of switching to another brand. the ttc needs a full make over. while there are plenty of good ttc workers, there actions are overshadowed by the bad ones (how often do you forget a good gesture, only to remember a bad one?). i say let the workers strike, and then ttc management needs to pull a reagan (air traffick cntrlrs) and fire them all.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

The poster doesn't understand the relationship between riders and driver, we riders offer the job to driver, not another way around! Period!。。。 -noproblem(密西洒家。o O); 2010-2-8 (#5869497@0)

不要太把自己当根葱，你去鸡院当rider，撂下这句话还有一点分量，TTC早已经成为政府包养的二奶，普通群众要上，当然要看她的脸色。 -oldyou(玩得太久，爱弟报废。); 2010-2-8 (#5869586@0)

3刀，可以上上下下好多次，太划算了 -vetra(豆泡果之多泡泡); 2010-2-8 (#5870400@0)

我的理解是：TTC管理层是无能又烂透了，而TTC员工呢则是从中得利。 -dbs2004(咸郎平); 2010-2-8 (#5870475@0)

+1. -sunnybabby(阳光宝宝); 2010-2-8 (#5870618@0)
解散TTC，原有的职工一个不要。全部重新招收新雇员 -111111(快乐老家); 2010-2-8 (#5871570@0)

有点儿过了。职工可以留下，管理层与工会应该全部炒掉。 -sunnybabby(阳光宝宝); 2010-2-9 (#5872311@0)

only new employee can stay, older-fat-lazy-worm make sense to keep. -felix0000(人造太阳); 2010-2-9 (#5872323@0)

sorry, supposed to be "make no sense to keep" -felix0000(人造太阳); 2010-2-9 (#5872418@0)

应该修改有关罢工的法律。当罢工者要求超过限度后，该公司必须解散，全体工人被裁员，然后重新招聘签合同。 -rollor(Rollor); 2010-2-9 (#5872350@0)

从lz的贴子看, TTC所招的某些人，与ＴＴＣ管理层一样，人格，心态和智力都有很大问题 -noby(noby); 2010-2-11 (#5879779@0)

你应该去顶替你们的小混混主席去竞选市长, 多伦多人民就有福了. -001isbetter(不唧歪不婆妈妈的肉联); 2010-2-11 (#5879791@0)
"如果进入WORDEN地铁站的公厕", 请问WORDEN地铁站在哪里? 我怎么没听说过这个站名? -whiteshark(whiteshark); 2010-2-13 (#5882676@0)

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来自TTC员工的无比愤怒:应对偷拍者绳之以法!

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