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枫下茶话 / 美国话题 / TN refused in toronto airport, please help.The officer said my job does NOT fit system analyst title even I have CS degree from canada. The bad thing is that he found a letter in my bag that state I will work in the compay as a web developer, what can I do now ? do I need to find a lawyer? or talk with my boss about it?
Thanks
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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I think software engineer title is better than system analyst if you have engineering degree. US board officers think title-engineer is higher than system analyst or programer
-freener(合适);
2008-7-11
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i have computer science degree. what should I do next?
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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Talk to your employer to revise the TN letter. they should consult to their lawyer to come up with a good one. No worry, there is a problem, there is a solution.
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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that officer is so bad, I said I have computer science degree, he said how do I know it is computer because my degree certificate says it is bachalor of science. But in the transcript it says it is computer science, I had very bad luck I guess
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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你学过的课程可以证明呀!
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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correct. but he still said the course can not decide the degree.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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你的学位上怎么会不写CS呢?
-kwirky(kwirky);
2008-7-12
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that is the one i donot know the answer, you can ask york univerisity, why they donot put computer science in the stupid degree certificate.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
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这个不是问题,加拿大学校很多不写.提供成绩单就足以说明问题了.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
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那你的机票怎么办?作废吗?多谢答复。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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i have to change the date, thanks
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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你是不是还没有签证就辞去了现有工作,这样不是风险很大?为什么不在陆路口岸办好了签证再上飞机?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
(#4551839@0)
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I thought it should be no problem, sign
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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我可没有你胆大。我已经在陆路口岸办好了签证,但还担心上飞机会不会有问题。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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Which title you use on your letter?
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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枫叶旗下 /美国话题 / Database administration是可以申请TN签证的职位吗? -ustopics(ustopics); 6.20 13:19 (#4513000@0)
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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Very helpful. thanks...
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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也谢谢你的关心。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
(#4551888@0)
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anyone has same experience, please contact me, thanks a lot
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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十有八九你TN letter 中job duties里没有system, analysis, design等关键词,就那些officer 的水平不要指望他们能给你归纳出来。不过没事,拿着相同分的材料到peace bridge应该能搞定,最好是星期一到五的正常上班时间去。
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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到peace bridge搞定后会不会又被多伦多机场拦住?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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除非你的提包里放两个炸弹
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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你到机场直接上飞机了,还见什么Officer 呀?
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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过海关见Officer 是肯定的。但不一定见 TN Officer。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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不是不一定,是一定不。。。
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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对不起,我还从来没有遇到过例外。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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是的,你出关,有海关官员查看你的护照和TN Visa,并回答相应的问题。但不需要再见TN Officer。无需多虑。。。
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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曾经有一次, 相应的问题包括问我是不是做编程工作,并重新审查了所有TN申请材料。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
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I am worried about that officer wrote down some thing very bad, He said i should not work in US anymore. I am not sure if he meant i can not work for that company or any company, He is crazy.I am worried about that officer wrote down some thing very bad, He said i should not work in US anymore. I am not sure if he meant i can not work for that company or any company, He is crazy. The bad think is he saw a document in my bag about that my title is web developer.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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你多半遇上了一个菜鸟,实际公司里的job title不一定非是system analyst .
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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但是一旦遇上了这个菜鸟怎么办?我也可能遇上这个菜鸟。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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nnd, how do I pay my house without a job?
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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peace bridge是 toronto附近三个POE中做TN最professional的,要相信党;-)
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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问题是我还是要在多伦多机场乘飞机呀!不知多伦多机场到底有几个菜鸟?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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你TN在peace bridge拿到手了,"多伦多机场到底有几个菜鸟"已经和你没关系了。
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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我曾经有几次,在TN工作期间回加拿大度周末,回美国时被移民官盘问45分钟之久,问我是不是做编程工作。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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system analyst 并没有说不能有编程的成分,关键是要强调system, analysis, design等关键词,就那些officer 的水平不要指望他们能给你归纳出来。
-nodream(~~~);
2008-7-11
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原来您是老江湖也,班门弄斧了,惭愧中。。。
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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不是老江湖。我这是第一次在东部签证,诚惶诚恐。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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Thank you very much for your information.
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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这个版面上说了很多次了。千万不要到多伦多机场去签TN,这是签TN世界上最tough的地方。你要做的,就是稍微改一下offer,去某个桥一次。据我的知道的情况,TN被拒一般不留纪录。
-steve888(Steve曾经曰过);
2008-7-11
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good to know. thanks...
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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请问温哥华机场怎么样?我曾在温哥华机场拿到过TN,全部过程不到10分钟。但不知道是正常情况还是走运。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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我曾经TN被拒留下了纪录。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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how do I know if they keep the refusal record or not, That officer is too mean, he has very bad attitude. He did not want to give me the TN from the beiginning.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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我后来每次去美国都要被盘查10-15分钟。移民官还把我的记录调出来给我看,说不是我要查你,是你有记录,我不得不查你。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
(#4552014@0)
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can I talk with you? if you can tell me your phone no, I will call you. thanks
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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帮不上忙。我上次被拒后就放弃了那份工作,没有再做努力。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
(#4552033@0)
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ok, i may need to find other job or try this one again
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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如果工作不难找,没必要try this one again。我TN被拒几周后找到另一份工作, 新的TN签下来了。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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yes, i know, but this job is good ,pay is not bad,boss is nice
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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唉,我被拒的那份工作是12万美元年薪的正式职工,可惜了。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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what to lose if you try this one again?
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-11
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我当时公司急着用人,不等我了。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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美国经济这么差,物价还比加拿大高,远远不如加拿大,干嘛非得去
-shaoxing(绍兴师爷);
2008-7-11
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that is not true. $5/per gallon in canada, $4 /per gallon in US
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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我去的地方经济不差,物价还比加拿大低,远远不是不如加拿大,干嘛不去?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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你不知道电视里,师爷都专出膄主意,尤其是绍兴的师爷?
-goodlord(goodlord);
2008-7-11
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yes, agree, that is why i want to go to US. even china is better than canada
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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今天公司宣布停止招聘任何新员工,加班费用,差旅费用减半. 我们公司是200强的企业,既便上次经济危机也没有这么紧张, 看来经济危机现在已经来了. -jackzhang6(jack); 7.10 15:14 (#4549142@0)
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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安省的就业状况不好。这是全国平均,但是安省尤差。接下来的日子更难过。大家要做好准备。我是最悲观的看待此次经济放缓。 -triton(智者乐水); 22:25 (#4551975@0)
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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海关官员并不是菜鸟, 你的公司,lawyer 看起来是个菜鸟, 连 TN 最基本的常识, title, 都不知道
-goodlord(goodlord);
2008-7-11
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that company is a small company,they dont have lawyer.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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建议: 1. TN title 用 computer systen analyst, 不要标新立异 2. 钻研一下 labor of department 对于 computer systen analyst 的定义, 自己写 position duty, 让公司抄在 TN letter. 3 TN letter 和 offer letter 保持一至. 4 ...
-goodlord(goodlord);
2008-7-11
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不必递交offer letter 给TN签证官。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-11
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yes, i think i will try again, but i am worried that the officer wrote sth very bad in my record, they can refuse me again,
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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美国签证被拒都会留下纪录, TN也不例外. 签证官问起,就说那是 TN letter 写的不详细. 这次补详细. 递材料, 给 transcript, 先不要给 certificate, 来个先入为主.
-goodlord(goodlord);
2008-7-12
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我觉得这个officer有理有节,火眼金睛。TN信写得不符合CSA描述,随身有带着别的job description, 完全lose credit, b. science只是理科学位,上了几门计算机课也不能证明是computer science.
-transformers(Transformers);
2008-7-11
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i have bacholar of computer sicence degree from York . The certification just shows" Bacholar of Science", no" computer science". But in transcript , there is computer science
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-11
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transcript上只是上过的课程,不是学位证书。人家照你的文凭又没错, 工作又不在tn list上,你在他面前已没有credit,,你让他怎么办?
-transformers(Transformers);
2008-7-12
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你可以给楼主下一步给一点建议么?
-canoneye(夏天心晴);
2008-7-12
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我也想听听transformers的建议。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-12
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I was using system analyst. the title is correct.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-12
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你不应该带着 the letter that state you will work in the compay as a web developer.
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-12
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yes, that is the probelm. I really need to do something with this ..
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-12
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我觉得这是你的唯一错误,否则你就签过了。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
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maybe ,maybe not, as i said the officer was in very bad mood
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
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换地方,换人.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
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TN不合格,两个原因,写给officer的信或者学历公证不合格,从这两个方面下手,那封信应该是律师写的,有一定标准,不是一般的信件就可以的。学历公证很关键,最好能在美国公证一下,或者多大。这两项最重要。
-china_wei(一等男人);
2008-7-12
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加拿大的学历不必公证吧?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-12
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i think too, I got degree in canada, i dont understand why that officer have double about my computer science degree, so werid.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-12
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salary may be too lower. because US job market is bad now, they will narrow down the foreign professionals to be certain higher level, it is better to be $80k-$500k salary range
-peteryu(最受欢迎);
2008-7-12
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my salary is over 80k, that should be no problem.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-12
(#4552974@0)
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有些人就想据你。管你条件符合与否,如果你argue,他们就找出各种各样怪怪的理由。
-steve888(Steve曾经曰过);
2008-7-12
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yes, that was what happened exactly. thank you.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
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"he found a letter in my bag that state I will work in the compay as a web developer" 这个是怪怪的理由吗?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
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他怎么发现你包里的信?是你自己拿出来的还是他翻了你的包?
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
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"他翻了你的包"
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
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翻包行为多是移民官已经有怀疑你的地方.正常情况是应该你提供文件,他在审理你文件的同时可以提问和提出要求问你再要相应文件.没可能上来就翻包吧?看他的情况,TN Letter应该问题不大,加拿大学历也没必要公证.有可能是在和移民官对话过程中,有地方被移民官怀疑到,他自己并没察觉.机场的移民官尤其敏感.他们宁肯错杀也不可能带着疑问的给放进去,换个陆地口再去签吧.多半问题不大.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
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陆地口签过后,多伦多机场的移民官还会宁肯错杀也不可能带着疑问的给放进去吗?另外,楼主遇到的移民官错杀了吗?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
(#4553586@0)
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陆地口签过后,多伦多机场的移民官不放你进去的可能很小,反正放进去也不是他的责任,LZ本人的具体情况不了解,职位要求,现场发生了什么不得而知,不能判断是否错杀,
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553659@0)
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但愿如此,否则我也可以从温哥华或buffalo乘飞机去美国。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
(#4553683@0)
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我在陆地口签过后,陆地口的美国海关很仔细的翻了我的包。从美国回加拿大时,陆地口的加拿大海关很仔细的翻了我的包。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
(#4553591@0)
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记得你说过你被拒签过,系统里多少应该有记录,很不幸成了过关重点关照对象.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553650@0)
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跟被拒签过应该没有太大关系吧?这次是TN签过后被翻包。以前没被拒签时也被翻过包。可能是检查食品。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
(#4553668@0)
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我过关很多次,就被翻过一次包,还是做灰狗过关的时候,他们问我带多少钱,我当时身上就几十块钱,他们可能不太相信,查了我的包,结果发现有一张支票,但是那张支票是公司的,上面不是我的名字,所以也没说什么.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553677@0)
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我还被查看过手提电脑。一个目录一个目录的查看。
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-13
(#4553689@0)
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估计你被定性为有移民倾向了,嘿嘿.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
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yes
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
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说说具体过程,上来就开始翻包?
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553652@0)
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even i post message, i donot think it will be any benefit to me. I just want any one to be carefull when apply TN. some US officers are very mean, just be parpared.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553676@0)
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some US officers are very mean不只是针对TN申请者,任何过关的人都要有准备.你的情况换陆地再签应该问题不大.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553679@0)
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are you sure about this? they suspected i will work as developer because they found an unsigned document in my bag. I will try again and let you guys know. thanks
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553685@0)
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很多TN的是在做developer,下次去无关文件不要带了,和移民官也不要多说话,他问你答,不问不说.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553686@0)
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that is right
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553687@0)
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do u have similar experience? I mean try apply TN after being rejected?
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553710@0)
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我本人没有,我朋友中有三个人有此经历,现在都在美国.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553724@0)
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can you let me know the detail if you dont mind?I want to konw if they have same problem.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553727@0)
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我不知道你的PROBLEM,我说的三个人,A,没带成绩单被拒,第二天回去就给了.B.说是毕业学校公证问题,办了公证又去给了.C.说是时间太早,他当天换了个口就签过了.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553731@0)
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不过都是发生在陆地口岸,大家都远离机场.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553737@0)
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my case is different. He found a document in my bag which mentions "web developer"..he said he think i am a developer , the TN letter is not acceptable.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553738@0)
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OK.Then change TN letter.严格说来申请TN不是什么拒签问题,TN不是签证,如果你本人符合TN要求,就是个文件审核问题,他要什么你给什么就行了.
-oopp(ops);
2008-7-13
(#4553748@0)
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my current TN letter is correct, using "system analyst", but he found another doc mention"web developer". he thinked company lied
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553756@0)
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你可以换个地方再签,机场是最严格的,尽量避免那个地方。我去年在机场签TN差点被拒,所有材料都符合要求,只是第二年签,那个黑警官就说,你不能老在美国,这是不允许的。最后他很不情愿地给签了。我发誓再也不去Pearson机场签TN了。
前天我从加州到Phoenix附近的墨西哥边境签了新TN, 一年期的。警官连我的学历认证都懒得看,只留下TN letter, transcript. 他根本不想看十几页长的offer letter,把那个还给我了。我的title是System Administrator, 很符合Computer Systems Anslyst. 一个朋友说他的title是Sr. Developer,也很容易过了。所以你换个地方签可能就能过。祝你好运。
-guest1(guest);
2008-7-13
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(#4553855@0)
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thank you very much for the information. So every one should NOT go to toronot airport to apply TN. I hope every one know about this.
-notgood(notgood);
2008-7-13
(#4553887@0)
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关心一下。楼主签下来了吗?
-ustopics(ustopics);
2008-7-16
(#4559009@0)
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I went back to toronto airport with a letter from the company and explained the mistake. Finally i got my TN.
Thanks everyone and good luck
-notgood(yesyes);
2008-7-21
(#4569885@0)
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My lawyer's suggestions1) Job title: CSA if you have a computer science degree, Engineer if computer engineering degree
2) Do not in any capacity admit that you do coding. You only do analysis and design
3) When asked about how long you are going to stay in US, say 1 year and do not admit any possibility of extension
4) Drive to Peace Bridge, not anywhere else (TO airport or Niagara are tough)
-avanade(BADWolf);
2008-7-21
{376}
(#4570335@0)
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英语需要改善,应该 "TN denied ", NOT " TN refused ".
-huimin(huimin);
2008-7-21
(#4570383@0)