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枫下茶话 / 社会 / 记得之前有人说过:cas跟了bluelove36个小时,她不吃不喝 带着孩子进出不同医院,后来从医院出来又去了clinic....我是不是漏掉了什么?我不明白的是,36个小时连续的?那孩子呢,也跟她不吃不喝不睡?这个期间除了她不停地带孩子求疹,有别的不妥么?不是翻旧帐,就是很疑惑36小时,怎么统计出来的
咋一听,觉得这个妈妈很有问题,36小时呀
可是怎么没说这36小时,他们跟踪观察的孩子状态如何?是因为孩子收到了或者可能收到了威胁/危险,他们就不同志孩子的爸爸直接带走了小孩
-liuycc(影子);
2009-6-22
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不吃不喝会死的。不符合常识。
-firetrain(火车头);
2009-6-23
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華婦精神陷困惑 高樓墮下別家人 移民身心健康誰負責?
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
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这一篇报道,在家属尚存质疑的时候,标题却直指死者健康,披露死者隐私的兴趣,多过质问CAS这样的公共机构,职业道德殊是可疑。我相信CBC如果要报道,一定很好地focus在CAS的作为,而不是死者及其家人的过失上。
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
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人无完人,每个人都有缺点,关键是CAS并不把提醒,帮助别人解决他们面临的问题为己任,而是热衷与发现,杜撰所谓证据来指责别人,进而破坏别人的家庭,彻底破坏孩子们的生活环境,这就是CAS的罪恶之处。
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
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中国人有严于律己,宽以待人的优良文化。而西方文化从来是,指责别人,原谅自己,为自己狡辩,即使他们自己手上沾满鲜血。
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
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Anyone has any statistics about how many children that CAS saved and how many people CAS killed. I like to know how much blood is in their hands.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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如果你指责CAS,你会得到大部分人的支持,如果你引伸而指责西方文化,你会失去大部分人的支持。要想打倒对手,就一定要有理智,对手越强大,越要理智。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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这里还真没看到CAS的“对手”。不过是一些义愤,一些闲聊。撼动CAS需要有实力的团体组织,而非个人或者民意。民意要通过议员才能申诉。上次加强监督CAS的动议不就没有被通过
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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也不一定,如果反感的人多了,最终很可能出现一个有实力的团体。但是,如果这个团体都这么感情用事的话,别说改变什么,连人心都得不到。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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如果这个团体不是感情用事的话,我不会指望它比它要对付的那个团体表现更好。不过是前门驱狼。这也是游戏的规则
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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别那么悲观,即使都是利益驱使,也有文明和野蛮的区别,人类没有停留在远古时代,文明还是向前走的。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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不是悲观,是人性使然。人类社会有过无数的大时代,推动了人类文明的进程。但是任何时代下,鱼龙混杂,有识之士建立了各种制度法律,文化哲学宗教来提高人性。也有无数人前赴后继的利用系统的漏洞满足个人的私欲,我从不高看,也不低看这个世界。没有什么是不可能的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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so far there are only 311 signatures that supported Bill 93.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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文化是会在各个方面渗透的,你只是没有看得透而已
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
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文化当然是渗透到各个方面的,但你的目的是让更多的人,包括接受西方文化的西方人来反对CAS,而不是让他们觉醒,去认识CAS这样简单粗暴的处理方式是和西方文化一脉相承的。进而否定自己的文化,再否定自己。举个例子,许多中国人愚孝,如果你反对它,会得到大部分人的赞同,但如果有人,他考证出中国人的愚孝是中国文化造成的,并举出大量证据, 这个证据一点不难找,郭巨埋子的故事堂而簧之的出现在书本里,是我们传统的道德标准。然后他说中国人都是为了老人埋自己孩子的双手沾满孩子血的恶魔,你说有几个人会同意会相信?你让中国人接受具体某个特征的批评,比如不该愚孝,很容易,你让中国人因此觉醒否定自己的文化,很难。同理,因为CAS就攻击西方文化也很让人反感。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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我没有攻击西方文化,我只是想说,也只有西方文化才有可能导致CAS机构做出来带走孩子的事情
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
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because they care about out children. They want to protect children who cannot protect themselves!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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他们总是用认为他们正确的方法,去对待其他人;西方的宗教就可见一斑
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
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It is the same; at least now! No on force you to believe 西方的宗教! When I go to China, should I obey their law and regulation? If I really can't get use to their law and regulation, I guess it is time to leave!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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法律健全很好;能够严格施行又是个难题。过度依赖法律,成本太高,西方国家也不愿意。没有人希望自己的国家象个权力机器--德国除外
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
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EXACTLY!!!
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
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do you have any solid evidence that CAS 杜撰证据? And how come Ontario Family Court did not see those 杜撰证据? Are those judges blind about 杜撰证据?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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Wake up. It's not the public who needs to provide solid evidence. It's CAS's responsibility to prove they had the solid evidence rather than 杜撰证据 before taking their actions ended up with life loss.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
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CAS has to provide solid evidence to Family court. CAS always do! And if you say CAS didn't provide solid evidence and Family court still issues court order for CAS, then you should blame Family Court instead of CAS.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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他们没有solid证据照样抢劫孩子,他们的最常用的迫害方式是说有risk。
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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You said CAS didn't have solid evidence but Family Court obviously didn't agree with your; it has to agree with CAS before it issue any court order.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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这也是我说你是CAS代言人的原因之一,因为你很会用CAS惯用的risk为CAS狡辩
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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I asked for evidence and when did I used CAS惯用的risk为CAS狡辩? BTW, in financial industry, we often works with risks.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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Too bad too late. There is no court time for this case.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
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if you have evidence, court always has time for you.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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at least we can force CAS to pay for what they did wrong. The key is if you have any evidence.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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hkchan不会weak up她很可能为CAS工作 和CAS有共同利益
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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I told you a few times that I am an IT guy working in financial industry. And no one I know works for CAS. So your guess is wrong. But as usual, you can keep telling people HKCHAN works for CAS and his points are not trustworth.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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To be honest, your logic sense presented here doen't sound like an IT guy......................wait a minute, you work in financial industry? That's makes sense as we all see what a big problem the Wall Street is struggling now.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
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Why do you think I don't look like an IT guy? You can go to other forun to read my posts. The problem that financial industry is experiencing now, has nothing to do with IT. Unless you have proof!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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To be honest, your logic sense presented here doesn't sound like an IT guy
-kqc(海市);
2009-6-23
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BTW, I have to give credit to you on Bill 93. But once I did my study on Bill 93 and I think it is a good idea. Did I try my best to persuade other Rolians to support Bill 93? If you want me or other Rolians to support youIt is easy, give us the proof or evidence.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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BTW, your arguement is public can spread news without any solid evidence on web, is it called rumor?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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我发的连接肯定比你多
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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你没看懂?多也不过是‘public can spread news without any solid evidence on web‘。而且本来发链接提供事例,即使只是PUBLIC POST,是个好事,你还总要弄一个或断章取义或歪曲事实或误读误导的标题。
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
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断章取义!!! Thanks kittywhy! I wish I can write Chinese like you do. These 4 Chinese words can explain a lot of CAS accuses
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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typing chinese is a cakewalk with one of these
-lindros88(GO-LEAFS-GO);
2009-6-23
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how come I never think about it! Stupid me!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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and you are very good to use part of the story to illustrate your acuse about CAS, instead of telling the full story. Do you mind to tell us again what Peel Regiion CAS did wrong in 2001?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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因为他们是同一利益集团,有些法官再收养委员会工作
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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Can you please provide us a list of judges who work for family court and at the same time work for 收养委员会?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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And please illustrate how those judges can receive benefit from CAS. I woulld send your accuse to those judge and ask for an explanation.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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CAS并不把提醒,帮助别人解决他们面临的问题为己任. They didn't? Children's Aid Societies participate every year in a public awareness and education campaign for the prevention of child abuse and neglect throughout the month of October
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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他们的公关宣传,只是希望更多举报,他们能抓更多的人,有点像希特勒对待犹太人的那种迫害一样。具体到每个个案,他们intake worker从来只热衷于发现,杜撰所谓证据
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
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but maninc said "CAS并不把提醒,帮助别人解决他们面临的问题为己任", I just want to point out to Rolians that CAS does educate our community how to protect their children.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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是的,CAS 工作人员没有帮助那个自杀家庭自闭儿子吗
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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That's why I though CAS 工作人员 might use 帮助那个自杀家庭自闭儿子 as a strong weapon to silent the father.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
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Another good speculation!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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helping 自闭儿子should be another social work department, not CAS.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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BTW, if you have any proof that CAS 杜撰证据, please show it to us. Otherwise, if you don't have any proof, can I say you are 杜撰所谓证据 to accuse CAS. I just want evidence!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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我给你我的电话,你马上打去CAS,看看到底把谁抓了,你还是我的小孩。白痴
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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u're BULLSHIT
-zhayan(with an Orchid);
2009-6-23
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你家有小孩吗,告诉我你的电话,我现在就打去CAS,说你在虐待小孩,看看有没有
人把你的小孩抱走
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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还真没见过拿人家的孩子做实验,来证明自己正确的
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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因为他们颠倒黑白反击会影响普通市民心理,看了他们写的东东,让人感觉不舒服,
本来一辈子都不会和CAS 打交道,看了他们写的东西,变成我家小孩是CAS 的猎物,
分分种种都可能给他们抱去,我认为论坛也不应该传播那个恐怖信息
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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难道他们就不是普通市民了,讨论需要划分好成分再开始吗。既然有这样的存在,你可以选择摆出事实,至于听不听是人家的事情。在我看来,你和他们一样都不是很了解CAS。再讨论一百年也不会有结果。我的观点,CAS可以被质疑,只需要公正。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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这个我非常同意,质疑是要有根据,不要用道听途说的小道信息
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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I totally support the idea that any organization with such great power should be monitored and supervised. This is why I put down my signature to support Bill 93. However, you cannot accuse anyone without proof.If CAS can accuse any of us without proof, then we would be in big trouble. So do you think it is fair for someone to accuse CAS without any proof as well.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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如果他们有能力,有实力,有胆量,不妨一试。没什么不公平的。这个世界还有法律。CAS也不是弱不禁风。我说过这件事情我看不出CAS有什么错。但是我不反对批评和第三方的调查。毕竟一条人命。系统是需要依靠的,但是如果单单只是依赖系统是会有大麻烦的。至少在这里讨论的再热闹,我还是那句话,没看到任何有能力挑战这个系统的人或组织。好比以前看到的机器人的故事,机器人终于造反了,而人类无能为力。系统是人建的,但是需要无时无刻的被调整,修正,检讨以更好的服务于人。若人受制于系统,存在两种可能,人错了,系统错了。无论哪种可能,都需要仔细核实,甄别。至于网络上的声讨,的确会影响一些人的想法,但是也帮助了大家思考。每个人都可以通过接收不同的信息得出自己的理解。至少我,如果看到了切实虐待孩童的案例,还是会打911
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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如果我的邻居报警,说我在打小孩,真的CAS 来了,看见我和小孩都平安无事,他们
还是会把小孩抱走,这种信息打死我也不会相信,但是没有思维能力大人会相信,
会有恐惧心理
-may11(May);
2009-6-23
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and even if you did (I know you won't) so what! I know a few faimlies who are Christian. They used phyiscial punishment and their children's teacher found out. CAS workers went to their houses; talked to them, educated them.And they asked my friends if they could promise not to use excessive physical punishment again. They left and only came to school to talk to their children a few months later to make sure everything was fine.
No even family court!
Of course, it depends on how serious the kids were hurt. If they noticed wounds all over the child's body. It would defintely be another outcome!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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这种纠缠是很无效的,论坛上看到些明显很荒谬的言论,你去批驳它,却无法增加自己的支持。因为论坛没有输赢,只是各种想法交汇的地方。去假设人家大人没有思维能力也是不切实际。每个人都有自己的选择,不管对错。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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not only that! I sincerely hope your children would never need CAS services. But if someone else read their comment and believe their accuses to CAS without any proof, they may not turn to CAS even when CAS is their last resources.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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的确是这样。不是每个人都能一直保持清醒的头脑和独立思考的能力。三人成虎,众口铄金。
-kqc(海市);
2009-6-23
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我有同感,看了这个论坛我觉得我们是生活在原始野蛮的恐怖社会,这种心理不利于处理问题,同时使中立的人更偏向于不相信。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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说的好像你生活的这个社会不是论坛中的人组成的一样。呵呵。不在行为中表现不代表内有没有。只是外部环境制约了内心。但是外部环境是可以变化的。中国人都略懂阴阳。阴阳互易。美国前端时间的灭门案,枪击案是偶然的吗?所以你在这里看到的社会,是更加真实的社会。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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CAS只要接到电话就冲进门抢孩子,CAS和立法机构,判决机构勾结一手遮天,有孩子的父母生活在恐怖之中,那么我生活的的确不是这些人组成的社会。论坛上的人是真的,不代表他们说的话就是真的。但是,我是个老移民,我有在加拿大生活的经验,对于2眼一抹黑的新移民,他们从这里看到的就是真的。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
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如果你要说这个事情,美国有部电影,是个真实的故事,一对父母因为一个小女孩的诬告,被判入狱几十年,两个孩子分别被两个不同的家庭寄养,直到几十年后在孩子成年后通过一个参议员的帮助才真相大白。不是CAS。但是这是真的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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So what did CAS do wrong? If a child accused his parents child abuse, should CAS take action? CAS is responsible to collect evidence and presented to court. The court make their verdict based on evidence presented to them.Unless CAS make up false evidences, then they should be responsible.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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那个故事就是工作人员将错就错,故意隐瞒了部分事实。CAS是机构,不是尚方宝剑,执行的是人,人可能犯错。人也可以举着CAS作奸犯科。我不会去盲目的无证据的乱说,也没打算就个案分析,只是泛泛的讨论一下,支持,反对的对象是人,组织,系统。是需要理清的
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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if they did 故意隐瞒了部分事实, then it would be CAS's fault.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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不是他们,是她,只有一个女人。但是一旦定案,翻案是件非常困难的事情。多数的参议员不愿意卷入。最后兄弟两人找到一个很老很有权威的才得以成功。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
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I never suggestion CAS was prefect and it would never be perfect. I asked a qurstion couple time. How many children were saved by CAS? And How many people died because of CAS?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
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这个问题爱莫能助,和CAS没有交集,而且这个数据也不足以证明什么。一个机构存在,说明其存在的价值;受到了质疑,名声是CAS的,如果很多质疑的声音,说明有些事情不太对了。至少一个论坛上要对CAS盖棺定论是做不到的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5365981@0)
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if the ratio is 10 to 1, then I think CAS must be reformed now. If it is 10,000 to 1, someone may still don't like CAS but if it is 1,000,000 to 1, then I would like to understand why Chinese community on Roliais so negative to CAS.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{22}
(#5366003@0)
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没有参与讨论的人,怎么想的,你我都不知道。你可以做个调查,看看rolia有多少支持,反对,不知道,需要监督CAS的。我肯定选需要监督。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5366127@0)
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I believe someone did! 我肯定选需要监督, I don't think a lot of people would argue about it!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366146@0)
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我不喜欢去绝对的believe什么。有些人只是为了讨论而讨论。有些人是真的相信,有些人只是没事找些话题。目的多了去了。只是推动的方向确是相互作用的。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5366184@0)
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如果有离奇的个案发生并在这里讨论,我想不会引起恐慌,但由此引伸出CAS希望更多举报,他们能抓更多的人,有点像希特勒对待犹太人的那种迫害一样。具体到每个个案,他们intake worker从来只热衷于发现,杜撰所谓证据 "再加上证据说明他们手眼通天,想不恐慌都难。问题是这种恐慌有什么必要?你可能会说能让更多的人思考。能发人伸思的是有争论特征的话题,而不是定论。如果一个人,他看了这里一些人的言论并相信了,那么他思考的一定是我要不要立即打包离开这里,而不是这样的机构合理否?
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
{210}
(#5365899@0)
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do you mind to tell us how CAS 杜撰所谓证据? I think every Rolian wants to learn and avoid those 杜撰证据.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5365918@0)
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I asked maninc but he must be too busy and didn't answer my question.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5365927@0)
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任何心智健全的人都不会有你这样的担忧。毕竟多数人的生活和CAS没有交集。好比上面的故事有实例,但不是必然发生,也不能保证它不会再发生。针对不系统,个体永远是弱者。因为基本逻辑是就CAS不一定有错,但是CAS同样不一定不犯错。有特殊事件发生了,检讨质疑不过分。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5365962@0)
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你怎知读贴的人都心智健全?我前几年在一家法律援助机构帮忙做些简单翻译的工作,有个大陆来的新移民,女性,咬牙切齿的问我一个十分荒谬的问题,她点名是看了这个论坛得出的结论。对于心中充满仇恨的人,网上的言论启什么作用,可不是你我能估量出的。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
(#5366066@0)
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如果是这样,不需要论坛,她还是会从其他的任何地方获得她想要的。网络是信息传播很快,但是他不是万能的。受到这个社会方方面面的制约。如果你觉得网络上的话,背后不是人在说,那你的担忧就有道理。既然每个人都是现实存在的,那在这个世界上生存,你需要有一定的免疫力了。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
{128}
(#5366086@0)
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网络背后的确是人,但现实社会你没机会听到这么多人对你说话,网络提供了一个大量信息同时涌入的机会,使3人成虎成为可能。而且,现实社会里同你讲话的人,一般是你认识的人,会通过你的表情你的背景有针对性的劝你,网上可就什么都有了,对于逆耳之辞脸红耳赤,甚至做出什么怪异举动...当然你不能怪网络,前几天针对这个悲剧网管还特别发贴说的也是这个,但是你也不能怪读贴的人,说他们没有免逸力。
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
{129}
(#5366139@0)
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有人说她上错了坛子,我部分同意。如果是亲亲宝贝,会不会好点,我不知道。但是我相信差别是存在的。一个悲剧源自合力,你可以说都有责任,也可以说都没责任,问题在于责任被分散了。但是前因后果还在。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5366171@0)
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但是昨天那篇CAS每年死80个孩子的贴子导致了我精神崩毁. Someone would believe!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366114@0)
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说“精神崩毁“,就是说要自杀吗?CAS建议警察给她乱打针,并在没有经诊断情况下,说她有抑郁症,导致使用抗抑郁药,那些针/药与自杀有关联,可见CAS是罪魁祸首。如果他们不恶意干扰她带孩子看病,就没有这一悲剧,这是再清楚也没有的。
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5366328@0)
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说“精神崩毁“,就是说要自杀吗? I didn't say it. Did you?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366571@0)
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"CAS建议警察给她乱打针" Who told you that? And when can police give needle to a woman?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366585@0)
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那你说那一针是怎么回事?
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5366725@0)
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I really don't know about 那一针, I mean it. Can you please tell me the details. You should know me now. When I said I didn't know, I really don't know. Can you send me a link on your source of information.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366735@0)
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有一点很清楚,像你这样竭尽全力为吃人的CAS狡辩 以此为工作的,是一只不折不扣的披着羊皮的狼
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
(#5366760@0)
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Did I ever defend for CAS? I just asked you for evidence. Do you have any evidence to support CAS 杜撰所谓证据来指责别人? How did I defend CAS? And if you really have evidence, with you permission,I would forard the evidence to Ministry of Children and Attornery General. I would help you to accuse CAS!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{107}
(#5366777@0)
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不要骗人了,你不去威胁作者已经谢天谢地了。
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
(#5366956@0)
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do you want to accuse me 威胁作者? When did I ever 威胁作者?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-24
(#5370188@0)
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You first accused CAS and now you accused I was a 不折不扣的披着羊皮的狼. This is the benefit of web, you can accuse anything without proof!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366782@0)
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Who said 她有抑郁症? Did you?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366590@0)
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And I didn't know police has to take order from CAS, something new to learn. So CAS建议警察给她乱打针 and police 给她乱打针.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366597@0)
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And finally, do you mind to send me the link that suggested "CAS建议警察给她乱打针,并在没有经诊断情况下,说她有抑郁症,导致使用抗抑郁药". Do you know where I can complain about police?I want to complain about the police that they gave the poor mother 抗抑郁药 without 经诊断情况下. But I need the proof.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{120}
(#5366632@0)
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老实说我觉得这个人不是受了cas重大刺激,仇恨似海就是别有用心地一直在这里用各种方式攻击CAS,而且做得相当不聪明。你跟他argue没有必要。
-kqc(海市);
2009-6-23
{84}
(#5368014@0)
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I don't argue with him but I just want people to understand what his argument was.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-24
(#5370186@0)
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心智健全就不好说,比如那个妈妈,有人就归罪网络上的不当言论,具体事实是怎样,不得而知,但是这种说法,我部分认同,不管正反双方,为了证明自己正确,在网络上的激辩,有多大程度的影响了那个妈妈,无从知道。所以我说论坛上多了道理,少了人文。故事一开始,我也误会那个妈妈的话是坑,基于保守,我什么也没跟。但是随着事态发展,我觉得那个妈妈的心智有问题,但是还是很怀疑,基本不信。所以也就是简单的安慰了一句。这就是我跟进整件事情的过程。
基本上网络上只存在我对的逻辑。没有人关心过一个遇到问题无法解决的母亲,在寻求帮助的同时还要面对各种各样潮水般的不同思想撞击。除非你的神经够粗。否则,,,我是不敢想象的。
己所不欲,勿施于人。老祖宗教的,估计早被“文明”掉了
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
{411}
(#5366120@0)
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CAS只要接到电话就冲进门抢孩子,CAS和立法机构,判决机构勾结一手遮天//
太耸人听闻了吧。还要吓疯多少人?
-0000000(Oops);
2009-6-23
(#5365824@0)
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So now you accused CAS, Family Court, government and 立法机构, do you mind to share with us your evidence? I can sent those evidence to media. Or do you forget to accuse our media as well?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5365855@0)
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我不知道我算老算新,也呆了5年了。加拿大不是天堂不是地狱,对于我不过是换了个城市生活。我比较能够理解这个社会运作的商业基础,系统建立的初衷必定是好的,但是执行的毕竟是人。人没有不犯错的。一些非营利机构的舞弊案没少听到,有家CAS也是其中的一例。我没有能力判断网上言论的真实性,看着,打个问号而已。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
{52}
(#5365854@0)
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For most newly landed Chinese parents, spanking their kids ended up with lossing them to 社会 is truely something beyond 恐怖.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
(#5365734@0)
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Then our government (or CAS) should educate them not to do it. But my friends didn't lose their children after spanking their kids. They had a nice long meeting with CAS workers at their home. Not even family court!Of course, I told you the story about my friend not to enourage you to spanking your kids.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{90}
(#5365791@0)
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Only because your main-string friends was able to have nice long meeting with CAS workers doesn't mean newly landed Chinese parents could do the same thing. Have some compassion in your heart to your Tongbao.
-oldyou(防贼防政府打狼打滥权);
2009-6-23
(#5365814@0)
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Actually, they are Chinese immigrants! I don't know if your definition of NEW immigrants. Thave have been in Canada for less than 10 years when they had the encounter with CAS. What is Tongbao?Why do you think I don't have compassion in my heart?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{54}
(#5365865@0)
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tongbao is 同胞 in pinyin. Because some people picture themselves as the most compassionate persons, so if you disagree with their opinions, you must be cold blooded :-) that's their logic
-kqc(海市);
2009-6-23
(#5368029@0)
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I don't think I am cold blood although I am not as passion as a lot of social workers. However, I feel it is useless to just complain within Rolia; so I only I can gather some constructive suggestions and pass it to CAS.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-25
(#5371578@0)
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CAS里面也有正常人的,都是看运气。绝大部分情况,CAS也并不那么狠的。我也就是主张,CAS要下猛药的时候,怎么也得改进一下。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366059@0)
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I am not here to argue but just want to collect fact and opinion that I can pass to CAS. What is your suggestion when CAS has to seize child in case of emergency?
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-25
(#5371577@0)
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spanking their kids ended up with lossing them is truely for anybody no matter if you are old or new immigrant. So your question is whether "spanking their kids ended up with lossing them to 社会" is a reasonal or not.that's beyond scope of CAS.
-yusheng(拜月);
2009-6-23
(#5365803@0)
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are you sure that everyone who spanking their kids ended up with lossing them? Again, can you please share with us your proof? Unless my friends didn't tell me theie truth stories; that was not the case for my friends.And again, I considered they were new Chinese immigrants.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{57}
(#5365879@0)
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你们吵啥。我都说过了,STAR,NP都有登过CAS的问题的文章,上面采访的人有名有姓。把CAS描述成一个怪胎。没有见到CAS告报纸诽谤。在这个讲法律的国家,事情不容易判断么?CAS没有SUE,因为它一旦开战,绝无胜算,反而一身骚;报纸是为了抢眼球,SUE却不是它的本意(它倒很愿意奉陪,眼球么)。所谓受害小民?这些都是LOSER,都已经在法庭上LOSE了全部,啥办法都用了,还是拿不回孩子,只能找报纸哭了~~但是,你们都认为,这些个苦闷的家长,都是吃饱了饭没事干,明明自己有问题,却要找CAS的茬?那就只有一个解释:法院的判决,不合家长的意。法院对证据的采信,更倾向于CAS。我不知道这样的CASE是否可以有陪审团。有,会好一些。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
{378}
(#5366022@0)
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CAS takes kids after parents charged in grow-op bust
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366067@0)
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Foster home shortage now critical, says CAS
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366070@0)
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Usually, a foster takes care 4 foster kids and gets $6000+ monthly
How can anyone say that the $50 per diem is not enough money to provide essentials to a child. That's $1500 aftertax dollars per month per child!
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5366435@0)
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我也一向质疑法官的能力,就一人说了算?! 这个系统也不好!
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
(#5366131@0)
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有什么好系统啊?介绍看看。
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5366136@0)
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至少也得要 3个人投票决定
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
(#5366288@0)
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哦,人家有了,陪审团制度
-kingsw(Steven);
2009-6-23
(#5366317@0)
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No 陪审团制度 for CAS cases
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5366441@0)
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You can appeal.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366140@0)
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有多少人会再去appeal 呢 ? 时间,金钱,经历 等等
-vetra(豆泡果 之 多泡泡);
2009-6-23
(#5366282@0)
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how many would not appeal if they take away your kids? I don't have time for my kid! I don't have money, so I guess no body told you about Legal Aid.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366614@0)
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的确有人不CARE。有人还把孩子扔掉~~CAS收这样的孩子,没错。强行从父母手中收孩子,如果孩子本身都不愿意,这样的事情的确需要3思。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366622@0)
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Yes, you are right. I still remember the story that someone left their baby at the car park of Leslie / Finish in the most freezing night of winter. I don't think they care. But those who care, would you appeal?And I agree seizing kids from parents must be their final steop that requires 3思
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{81}
(#5366659@0)
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By Legal Aid's a lttle money, you can not afford a good lawyer. If the Legal Aid changes its policy, to pay lawyer at-its-cost like it pays for murdering cases,
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5366765@0)
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But if CAS seized your kids, would you turn down Legal Aid becuase it cannot afford to give you the best lawyer. 豆泡果 之 多泡泡 said people would not appreal because of time, money and experience and I don't agree.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366853@0)
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to attract the top lawyers to do CAS cases on Legal Aid, CAS will be forced to change for sure.
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5366774@0)
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Well, unfortuantely, we cannot always have everything we want.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366857@0)
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这厮是CAS的,他出的主意是CAS的陷阱,前面已经讨论过Legal Aid的问题了。
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
(#5366790@0)
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I don't think CAS is an evil organization so I don't mind to work for it. I just don't have the qualification and their salary is not attractive. Why do you think I am from CAS. Just because I asked you for eveidence to support your points.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366834@0)
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因为你有关CAS的知识太多,与你自称的IT工作不相称,而且与CAS的人讲出来的一样,而且你可以几天不用干你自己的IT工作来为CAS在这里搞公关
-maninc(maninc);
2009-6-23
(#5366882@0)
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HKCHAN是事业版的著名ID,和牛哥,老猫并称IT界3大华领,收入非常好,不是干CAS的可以确定。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366895@0)
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I am just a nobody who want to help our community. No hidden agenda! At least, I have no intention to work for CAS.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-25
(#5371580@0)
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I just asked you a simple question if you have any evidence to support CAS 杜撰所谓证据来指责别人, then I become a CAS worker. Great!
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366843@0)
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HKCHAN,抱歉说你是个香蕉。你强加对方“提供不可获得的证物”的义务,大陆中国人已经被中共的政府多年这样摧残,他们已经暗意识认为你是个政府帮凶。中国大陆大字报文化习惯了,不需要证据,就是要嗓门大。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366877@0)
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香蕉 is my favorite fruit. So you suggested it was Chinese culture that we could accus anyone or any organization without any evidence. Then I am really a 香蕉! If this is the case, then I have to stop here.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
{726}
(#5366910@0)
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不同意你的观点。如果为孩子着想,还是我跟你介绍过的,买保险(保证钱先),托付给可以信任,有爱心的亲戚朋友~~~CAS干的就是这个事(政府给钱,让别人来养)。你能自己处理好,找那些人干吗。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366928@0)
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把你这个建议作为一个议案让两院讨论讨论怎么样?参照你的想法,推广开去,直接推翻加拿大政府都行了。
-copperbean(豆泡果 之 铜豌豆);
2009-6-23
(#5366943@0)
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I actually have no problem to show you, but have no enough time to do it now
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5366950@0)
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报纸一般就是客观报道,提问题(质疑),不主观加判断。主观的说法,它一般都是引用当事人的话,把自己撇清。
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5366343@0)
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I spent the last couple hour to google about such news on Toronot Star and I couldn't find any. Do you mind to send me a few of them?
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-23
(#5366619@0)
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IGNORE ME AND EXCUSE ME, 星报不知道,NATIONAL POST是有的,我没MARK
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5366885@0)
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这么大报纸怎么可能没有?随便找一条
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5366916@0)
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再来一篇,200多父母被诬陷有罪
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5366964@0)
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这是pathologist Dr. Charles Smith的案子,跟CAS没有关系。可不可以看明白了再贴?
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5366996@0)
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医生和他们是同一利益集团
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5367002@0)
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ok. 明白你的观点了。Dr. Charles Smith一般是在有孩子父母亲朋的监护下死亡后作法医鉴定死因,他的鉴定出了很多错,造成了一些冤狱。麻烦给解释一下,CAS和DR在此中是如何勾结获益?
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5367028@0)
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不要明知故问了。CAS每care一个小孩一年可向政府要3万。CAS in care 小孩死了送给他鉴定,他可以向政府要钱。于是,他们互相送小孩,一个送活的,一个送死的
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5367070@0)
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DR. smith判的多数是在父母亲朋监护下死的,父母亲朋都是同谋?
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5367082@0)
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DO not tell false information here. Dr. Smith also did many 鉴定s for children died in CAS care. He was in favor of CAS so that no one of 鉴定 for children died in CAS has been reviewed
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5367123@0)
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How many children died in CAS? and how many did Dr. C Smith 鉴定 for CAS? Can you please also showed any article that Dr. Smith is in favor of CAS? I just want to make sure that there wa s no false information reported
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-25
(#5371561@0)
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SMITH看上去,这样解读更让人觉得可信:利用公众对虐待儿童的罪犯的痛恨,自己做伪医学鉴定,将无辜父母入狱。其个人回报是:一路飙升,声明雀起;但是我相信多少父母面对他的证词,连活的心都没有了~~CAS也许也有这样的功利心,如果查出一个严重虐待事件,他们很光荣的。
-ignoreme(别当真);
2009-6-23
(#5367090@0)
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I would forward this to Dr. Smith and ask for his comment.
-hkchan(*);
2009-6-24
(#5370335@0)
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一旦小孩被带走,法院判过以后,即使证明是错判的,小孩也回不了家
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5366999@0)
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还是DR.SMITH的案子。你很喜欢歪曲。
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5367069@0)
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一篇催人泪下,描述真人真事的文章
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
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这篇是说政府给CAS的资金不够。“a follow-up report released yesterday found the Liberal government is still not fairly funding a system that cares for 300,000 children.” 。你真搞笑。
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5367010@0)
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看原文“senior staffers were enjoying perks like $53,000 SUVs as company cars, a $2,000 executive gym membership and a $2,600 personal traine”
-patrickholder(.);
2009-6-23
(#5367039@0)
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紧接下来的原文:While yesterday's follow-up report said headline-grabbers like luxury cars for CAS executives have been curbed, there remain systemic funding problems, including:。你觉得有意思就继续贴吧。嘿嘿。
-kittywhy(kittywhy);
2009-6-23
(#5367074@0)
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Mind the context. You should be laughing at yourself.
-buug(Crouching Tiger);
2009-6-23
(#5368060@0)
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Have all those 300,000 children really been abused by their parents? Nobody believes. How many of them were sent to CAS illegally as cash cows? Are you going to meet Ms. Jiang from CAS this Saturday?
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-23
(#5367100@0)
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How many of them were sent to CAS illegally as cash cows? NONE! They are all legal! If you find one that is NOT legal, please report it to attornery general.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370369@0)
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I actually have no problem to find MORE THAN one. Loveblue's case is one - apprehending a kid without any warrent in a non-emergency situation, without informing and considing another parent.
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5370799@0)
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Can you prove it is non emergency situation? According to what law that CAS must inform another parents before CAS can seize a child? Who told you that the case was illegal?
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370832@0)
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If you really want to help loveblue's family, the first thing is to talk to her family and get their consent. Then we should launch a petition to collect signatures to persuade our government to do a public inquiry.And we should work with media to put pressure on our government. Once we have all the pieces for the puzzle, then we can understand the full pciture.
Legal proceeding should be the last resources, unless the family has a lot of $$$$ to burn.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
{245}
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I thought Attornery General is for crowns and child lawyers who actually have the same best interests with CAS. Could you please give me more information about what the Attornery General can do for illegally apprehension?
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5370807@0)
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Roles and Responsibilities of the Attorney General
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
{210}
(#5370841@0)
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How will AG look into the case? Do you have any example(s)? How about if you report Loveblue's case to AG?
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5370910@0)
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AG has nothing to do with child welfare court, except their OCL - Office of the Children's Lawyer, which represents children's wishes while CAS has to prove imminent risk before findings and best interest after findings.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370918@0)
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Yes, you are right that AG has nothing to do with child welfare court. But if it is proven to be criminal act, e.g. if some CAS workers deliberately do something illegal, then it is another story. But it is a very strong accuse!So unless analyst1 have very solid evidence, I would suggest him to bring it up to MInister of Children first.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
{110}
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There was only one case in CCAS that the worker was charged with criminal negligence, in child welfare history. She later developed mental health herself and lost both children to CAS. Her husband walked away. CAS is a very stressful job.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370947@0)
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I believe you. I volunteer for 2 organizations and know some social workers who are all very nice persons. I talked to them about CAS and they all make the same comment. It is too tough to work at CAS.You must be very good to survive such long time.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
{48}
(#5370999@0)
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if you can prove it is illegal and with the victim's family consent, I can help you to bring it up to Minister of Children or even AG.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370919@0)
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Do you mean Children and Family Review Board of the Minister of Children? That one is only for complaining.
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5371033@0)
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Minister of Children is their boss. If I do something wrong in my office, do you want to complain me to my boss first?
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-25
(#5371554@0)
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By the way, are you experienced in using IBM 400?
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
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I don't know about IBM 400, are you talking about IBM AS/400?
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370846@0)
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Yes.
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
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Are you using it now? I don't think it is popular in Canada. It may be better in term of career prospect if switch to Unix.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370915@0)
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Toronto CAS uses AS400.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370912@0)
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How did you know?
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5370917@0)
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I use AS400. There is nothing about child welfare I don't know.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
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Woo, must be difficult to find good people to support it.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
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Their IT manager is a guy from Hong Kong. He supports AS400 by himself. I guess he makes about 120K a year.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370926@0)
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120K, not bad at all! Unfortunately, the last time I used AS/400 was many, many years ago.
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370941@0)
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Not really. The guy, a black guy, before him, left and is now making over 150K.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370958@0)
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are you working for HR?
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5370973@0)
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No, I am a social worker and works for senior management. I am one of the top guns.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370986@0)
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i c
-hkchan(0);
2009-6-24
(#5371008@0)
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Toronto Catholic CAS also uses as400 and their IT manager also is a guy from Hong Kong.
-ontariocas(CAS);
2009-6-24
(#5370931@0)
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你怎末还没醒悟。不管你找多少篇这些滚刀肉问题也断不了。对牛弹琴,压根就没有听你的意思。
-buug(Crouching Tiger);
2009-6-23
(#5368038@0)
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They are really 滚刀肉.
-analyst1(Justice);
2009-6-24
(#5368242@0)